RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
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Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Maureen
Romney is shrewder and probably overall smarter than Bush, but he has a lot of the same handlers and advisers. Romney is crooked, Bush was just incompetent. Karl Rove is the brains behind both, so if Romney is elected, expect to see the same policies and the same people benefiting from him being

RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Eric Roberts
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Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
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Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
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Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
Original Message- >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: RE: Romney Tax Plan >> >> >> Seriously, would you like me to link the relevent articles and clauses? >> On

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
10-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > -Original Message- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Romney Tax Plan > > > Seriously, would you lik

RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:25 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Romney Tax Plan Seriously, would you like me to link the relevent articles and clauses? On Oct 19, 2012 2:22 PM, "LRS Scout" wrote: > No, we sho

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
I was 12 when Carter left office. I will have to defer to those who are older and/or smarter than I to make that analogy. On Oct 19, 2012 9:13 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: > > "I don't think it is a fair assessment to say that Gov. Romney's policies > are similar to Pres. Bush." > > It's perfectly

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I don't think it is a fair assessment to say that Gov. Romney's policies are similar to Pres. Bush." It's perfectly fair if it is allowed to say President Obama's policies are similar to President Carter. J - “In the spirit of Sesame Street, the president’s remarks tonight are brought you by

RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Eric Roberts
g.com -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:14 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Romney Tax Plan Now you can use your simple math. Cut spending by 5t cut taxes by 5t. . On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Maureen wrote: > >

RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
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RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
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RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Eric Roberts
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Romney Tax Plan No one wants to hear it but as a nation we are bankrupt, morally, intellectually and fiscally. With out major across the board cuts how are we going to pay the interest much

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
And I said that is not the case. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Sam wrote: > >>> I don't think it would be so much an 'insult' as it would be a >>> mis-categorization - wither way, i think its worth noting the >>> discrepancy. >> >> Wh

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Sam wrote: >> I don't think it would be so much an 'insult' as it would be a >> mis-categorization - wither way, i think its worth noting the >> discrepancy. > > Why care about the category? I guess I shouldn't, I agree. But it guess it bothers me a little becau

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't think it is a fair assessment to say that Gov. Romney's policies are similar to Pres. Bush. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Melvin Thompson wrote: > > What everyone fail to realize.. No matter who became president back in 2008, > the economic downturn had to complete it's course of wha

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Melvin Thompson
. I don't understand why people and the President thought the economy and jobs could be turned around in less than 3 years, because the 1st year of Pres Obama term, Bush policies were still in place.. That's just how it is for a 1st term President taking over.. I don't think Pres Obama knew how

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Melvin Thompson
What everyone fail to realize.. No matter who became president back in 2008, the economic downturn had to complete it's course of what Bush created.. You have to ask yourself, do you want to continue with the similar policies during Bush terms, by voting for Romney, or do you want the economy a

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Melvin Thompson
Why are all people ignoring the fact that Romney has been caught changing his position in many topics depending on who's his audience.. If he lies so easily just to try and become president and his campaign managers do their best to correct what he says, by saying he didn't really mean that...

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Melvin Thompson
What everyone fail to realize.. No matter who became president back in 2008, the economic downturn had to complete it's course of what Bush created.. You have to ask yourself, do you want to continue with the similar policies during Bush terms, by voting for Romney, or do you want the economy a

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > So, someone's political ideology is solely based on who they voted for > in the last presidential election or who they are leaning towards in > an upcoming presidential election? That's ridiculous. Most of what you've been saying in the last

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Sam wrote: > > I've said many times very few are always to the right or always to the > left. We're talking about presidents and their policies. In that sense > and the sense only you are no considered a lefty. It might even be > temporary but you shouldn't be of

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
We're back to simple math? The tax cuts are paid for. Now you're just being evasive. . On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If you think pointing out that the candidates are using faulty math to > support their assertions is nonsense, feel free to ignore it. > > I'll just sit he

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
I don't get your point. Obama raised the debt more in one year than Reagan did in eight and Reagan had one of the most prosperous economies ever for the US. . On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Reagan grew the debt 300% and the govt 7% per year. > Bush 1 grew the debt b

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Maureen
If you think pointing out that the candidates are using faulty math to support their assertions is nonsense, feel free to ignore it. I'll just sit here and laugh at your discomfort when taxes and spending both increase and push the deficit even higher. Which will happen regardless of who wins th

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Given that the US was just supplying the bombs and missiles, the arms companies shouldn't be too upset. They still get paid and the NATO allies had to replenish their stocks. So its a win for them. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Unfortunately, the intervention model is much

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
So you were just talking nonsense? I wish I knew, I would have just ignored it. . On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Maureen wrote: > > i was never discussing paying for tax cuts. I was pointing out that the > plan to reduce tax rates by 20% would cost more money than it would > generate even i

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Maureen
Unfortunately, the intervention model is much less profitable for the weapons manufacturers which is why you hear their shills already calling for us to start yet another war. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I have no problems with that. The Libyan intervention model i

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I have no problems with that. The Libyan intervention model is much better for the US than the model used in Afghanistan or Iraq. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:23 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > This, Larry, this :) > > As Scott said, there is no magic bullet, althogh I will say, moving from an > interven

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Reagan grew the debt 300% and the govt 7% per year. Bush 1 grew the debt by 50% and the govt by 5% per year Clinton: 30% debt growth, govt 3% per year Bush II, 80% debt growth, govt 6% per year Obama, 33% debt growth and govt grew 1.4% per year. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Sam wrote: > >

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
I often joke (well..it's mostly joking) that we should pull recall all our soldiers, close the borders and hand a sign on the door that says, "We will get back to you when we get our own shit together" On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:23 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > This, Larry, this :) > > As Scott said,

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Maureen
i was never discussing paying for tax cuts. I was pointing out that the plan to reduce tax rates by 20% would cost more money than it would generate even if all deductions were removed and all loopholes were closed so it did not matter which deductions Romney kept so demanding details of his plan

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
Did we change the scope of this discussion to pay for other things or are we still just discussing simple math about paying for tax cuts? If we're to move on, we can make more cuts, repeal Obamacare, more tax revenue from an improved economy etc. . On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Maureen wr

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Maureen
Assuming that was possible, it would equal zero and would leave no money to pay down the debt or reduce the deficit. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Sam wrote: > > Now you can use your simple math. > Cut spending by 5t cut taxes by 5t. > > .On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Maureen wrote: > >

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
Now you can use your simple math. Cut spending by 5t cut taxes by 5t. . On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Not if he reduces the tax revenue. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
If you have to cut, I"d like to see cuts made on such things as government subsidies to corporations and most agricultural subsidies. Oil and coal subsidies should also be cut. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Maureen wrote: > > You make some good points, but if you look at total budget expendi

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Maureen
Not if he reduces the tax revenue. On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Sam wrote:. > > > If Romney returns spending to 2008 levels at the least that's your $5 > trillion (*10years) tax cut paid for. Everything else is gravy. If he > cut's it more, let us pray he does, then even better. Add to that

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Maureen
You make some good points, but if you look at total budget expenditures, defense, interest on debt, medicare and social security dwarf all others. I'm all for spending cuts, but Romney can no more balance the budget by cutting the small programs and increasing the large ones than you could balanc

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
What he said at the debate was a cap where you can pick and choose what deductions you want. I guess that's why I don't get why you want individual promises when all are covered. . On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I get that Jerry, and I really was not looking for him to

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > I have never made claims that I am 'wiser' than those taking sides. As > a matter of fact, I often say that you guys are smarter than I on a > lot of issues (hell, I would say maybe even most). One reason I use > this list is to help gather mo

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Sam
I see you won't read the article and will just shout simple math. Let's try this: 2007$161 Billion Deficit 2008$459 Billion Deficit 2009$1413 Billion Deficit 2010$1294 Billion Deficit 2011$1299 Billion Deficit 2012$1100 Billion Deficit If Romney returns spending to 2008

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread LRS Scout
This, Larry, this :) As Scott said, there is no magic bullet, althogh I will say, moving from an interventionist force to a defensive one would be an excellent start. On Oct 19, 2012 10:07 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > My issue with both sides is that whenever they discuss cuts, its more > in

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
My issue with both sides is that whenever they discuss cuts, its more in context of social engineering. For instance a democratic party rep will talk about oil subsidies, but neglect farm subsidies. Similarly a republican will discuss cutting back on social programs, but increase taxes on the very

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
My wife and I have spent the last year trying to get ourselves out of debt. The first thing we realized is that just cutting spending or just increasing revenue was not going to be enough to get the job done effectively. We needed to cut our spending AND increase revenue - which has been working q

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"No one wants to hear it but as a nation we are bankrupt, morally, intellectually and fiscally." Unfortunately, this is spot on. And all three items are deeply intwined together. If people were more intellectually aware, they would not accept the fiscal chicanery going on. If our citizens were

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
I get that Jerry, and I really was not looking for him to say 'Middle income families will not lose their mortgage deduction..ever' I would prefer something along the lines of, "My plan will allow Congress to determine what deductions will be lowered, but I am going to fight to make sure that the

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-19 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> I hope you can see the hypocrisy in that statement. In all my time in this >> list I cannot recall a single instance where you criticized republicans >> and/or supported democrats. > > I don

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
Flunked arithmetic and logic, didn't you? Let's try it in programming, since you purport to understand that. The amount of money to pay for all government spending will be less and it does not matter which deductions Romney will cut. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Sam wrote: > > Then your

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread LRS Scout
No one wants to hear it but as a nation we are bankrupt, morally, intellectually and fiscally. With out major across the board cuts how are we going to pay the interest much less bring down our debt? Oh hey, I have an idea, how about we cut everything not mentioned specifically in the constituio

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Tell me what Obama's plan is to create jobs and balance the budget." He wants to raise taxes on the top 2%. That'll do it, right? Well if he raises it to 100% on the top 2% of earners, there will still be a huge deficit, so he must have something else up his sleeve. Maybe he has a plan to sti

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Everyone seems to be super concerned with the minutia of Romney's tax plan as if it would make or break the election when it is nothing but minor details of his plan as president. Yet nobody has asked how Obama plans to cut the deficit in half even though he's tried four times and it's always dou

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I cannot fathom why this concept is so difficult for two seemingly intelligent guys like you and Sam to grasp." There is nothing to fathom. You want something you are not going to get. Neither candidate is going to give you the details you would like to have. It's not how politics are played

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
The detail is it's going to be capped and this is the ballpark number. Wow you are anal. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, you consider pulling a number out of thin air during a nationally > televised debate 'details'? > > Noted.

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I hope you can see the hypocrisy in that statement. In all my time in this > list I cannot recall a single instance where you criticized republicans > and/or supported democrats. I don't need to criticize the GOP because enough people here

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Then your statement has no purpose here. Romney does not plan on maintaining the same rate of spending. It's insane to think or imply the current $ trillion a year deficit is the norm. The article explains how to balance the tax cuts so they are cost neutral. It's not as easy as a + b - c and to p

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
So, you consider pulling a number out of thin air during a nationally televised debate 'details'? Noted. On Oct 18, 2012 3:51 PM, "Sam" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > You mean the $25,000 'cap' he came up with on the fly during the > > debate? He even ad

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
I hope you can see the hypocrisy in that statement. In all my time in this list I cannot recall a single instance where you criticized republicans and/or supported democrats. If we are unable to see the awesomeness of Gov. Romney's plan because we are biased against it, can the same not be said o

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
No, it's not the Romney plan. It doesn't matter what his plan is. My statement was if you cut all the tax rates as he proposes, that even if you cut ALL deductions, it would not make up the difference. And just as point of non-bias, what Obama is touting, the whole tax the rich rhetoric, also

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Doesn't take you long to start the insults. I know, you weren't talking to me. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > It's simply arithmetic. I learned it in elementary school. Remember word > problems? > ~|

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
It's the Romney plan. You can't take a number and subtract another and say done. If only life were so simple. Read the article. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I used figures from the Department of the Treasury. Are you calling them > biased? > > And again, I was discus

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
You don't have to be either a tax expert or an economist to use these formulas: Income - deductions * rate = Tax Revenue versus Income * (rate - 20%) = Tax Revenue It's simply arithmetic. I learned it in elementary school. Remember word problems? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Sam wrote:

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
I used figures from the Department of the Treasury. Are you calling them biased? And again, I was discussing Romney's tax plan. Linking to an admittedly biased opinion of Obama's plan is nothing more than misdirection. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Sam wrote: > > It's out of my scope. I'

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
It's out of my scope. I'm not a tax expert or an economist. But if you are going to use a biased report to defend your point of view then I can do the same. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/330812/obama-s-trillion-dollar-tax-cut-fraud-alan-reynolds . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Maure

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
I see a lot of links to sites that spin the discussion, a lot accusations of bias, finger pointing and name calling. I rarely see coherent explanations. If you have some of those that come from non-biased sources or your own research, why don't you post that instead. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:0

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
The claims are different as I never mentioned middle class taxes. I simply gave the figures for all taxes collected. Don't trust my numbers if don't want to. Just go to the Treasury dept statistics site and do the math yourself. I'd rather do that than base my views on the opinion of some jour

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
It's only three or four people here that have no respect for facts. No biggy. Point is re-explaining myself a dozen times goes no place with them so telling me to keep trying is silly. At some point I have to point and say the obvious hoping eventually a light would go on. . On Thu, Oct 18, 20

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
If only it were that simple. I feel like we're starting this thread over. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/check-math-romneys-tax-plan-doesnt-raise-middle-class-taxes_653485.html . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Because it's not my math, it comes from the experts. Go

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
If you have such disrespect for the people on this list, why do you stay? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Sam wrote: > > Not on this list. > > .On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > You would be more effect at presenting your point if you would actually > > present that poi

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
Because it's not my math, it comes from the experts. Go to the Dept of Treasury website, look at total gross tax, subtract 20%. Then look at the figures for total deductions. That number will be less than the 20%. The difference is what will need to be made up to achieve the same level of coll

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
"Governor Romney's argument is, we're not fixed, so fire him and put me in," said Clinton. "It is true we're not fixed. When President Obama looked into the eyes of that man who said in the debate, I had so much hope four years ago and I don't now, I thought he was going to cry. Because he knows t

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Not on this list. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Maureen wrote: > > You would be more effect at presenting your point if you would actually > present that point instead of spinning around yelling "bias, bias, liberal". ~|

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Show us why you think your math is better than the experts? . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Maureen wrote: > > He could close all the loopholes, get rid of all the tax deductions and > still not be able to generate enough tax revenue to offset a 20% across the > board tax cut. > Again...arit

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
When you only point out errors from one side it makes a very blatant statement. Deny all you want but your not fooling anyone. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I most certainly can point out the errors on one side without it being a > defense of the other. Stating the Rom

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
You would be more effect at presenting your point if you would actually present that point instead of spinning around yelling "bias, bias, liberal". On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Sam wrote: > > When you're done chasing the squirrel I'll explain. > > Ready? > > Scott's beating a dead horse s

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You mean the $25,000 'cap' he came up with on the fly during the > debate? He even admitted he made up the number. Yes. > His exact words were: "And so in terms of bringing down deductions, > one way of doing that would be to say everybody

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
When you're done chasing the squirrel I'll explain. Ready? Scott's beating a dead horse so I just wanted to point out how ridiculously biased he's being. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > the point remains, what does what Sam said have to do with anything > you ment

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
They've also shown it top be possible. I guess you just need to pick which ones you like. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > But neutral bipartisan think > tanks have shown that with the increases in promised military spending > and the across the board tax cuts, its i

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
He could close all the loopholes, get rid of all the tax deductions and still not be able to generate enough tax revenue to offset a 20% across the board tax cut. Again...arithmetic. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Remove loopholes, ge

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Maureen
I most certainly can point out the errors on one side without it being a defense of the other. Stating the Romney's plan lacks specificity makes no comment at all on Obama's plan. That fact that you don't understand that is the reason you misinterpret the majority of what I post. On Thu, Oct 1

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
You mean the $25,000 'cap' he came up with on the fly during the debate? He even admitted he made up the number. His exact words were: "And so in terms of bringing down deductions, one way of doing that would be to say everybody gets — I’ll pick a number — $25,000 in deductions and credits" Pick

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Let me try that again, typing too fast. the point remains, what does what Sam said have to do with what you mentioned? It was another LOOK! SQUIRREL! moment. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > the point remains, what does what Sam said have to do with anything > you ment

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
the point remains, what does what Sam said have to do with anything you mentioned? It was another LOOK! SQUIRREL! moment. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You are correct...I did not. I was making a statement. > > That statement was that Gov. Romney's tax plan makes no sen

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I suspect that he knows or realizes that if he showed exactly what he'd cut, no one would vote for him. But neutral bipartisan think tanks have shown that with the increases in promised military spending and the across the board tax cuts, its impossible to pay for without massively increasing the

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
That was his 2008 plan and we have the results. Also, he's taking the money he's going to save from medicare and put it in Obamacare. That money is already spent even if he doesn't find it. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Remove loopholes, get rid of tax reduction for

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Capping the deductions for people making over $200k at $25k is a detail. It's not in stone but might be what he's going to recommend. As for Obama's plan, we all know how well that's worked. He's been doing it for four years. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You are co

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
You are correct...I did not. I was making a statement. That statement was that Gov. Romney's tax plan makes no sense to me in that it contains no details on how we can fund a 20% across the board tax cut, other than 'lower deductions and close loopholes, but Congress will decide which ones'. I c

RE: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Eric Roberts
unity Subject: Re: Romney Tax Plan Tell me what Obama's plan is to create jobs and balance the budget. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I don't know what he thinks...at all.that is the problem. He has > not stated anything that he would fight for

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
He didn't ask a question. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > what has that to do with Scott's question? Its just a cheap attempt at > distraction. > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Tell me what Obama's plan is to create jobs and balance the budge

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
what has that to do with Scott's question? Its just a cheap attempt at distraction. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Sam wrote: > > Tell me what Obama's plan is to create jobs and balance the budget. > > . > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> I don't know what he thin

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Former Obama economic advisor Steve Rattner on "Morning Joe" says that growth under Obama is the slowest since the 1930's (October 18, 2012). http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a-oToiJdepM . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Sam wrote: > Tell me what Obama's plan is to crea

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Tell me what Obama's plan is to create jobs and balance the budget. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I don't know what he thinks...at all.that is the problem. He has > not stated anything that he would fight for. He has not stated that > there are deductions for th

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't know what he thinks...at all.that is the problem. He has not stated anything that he would fight for. He has not stated that there are deductions for the middle class that he would fight to keep. Ha has not stated there are deductions/loopholes for the wealthy he would fight to lower/c

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
You know what he thinks, you now want rankings by priority. Those rankings won't change anything. It's just a distraction. . On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Gov. Romney has stated that he knows how to get the economy going > again. He has stated a big part of his plan t

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
While I have stated that I am voting for Pres. Obama, I have not stated that my mind could not be changed. In an attempt to be an informed voter, I am asking questions that I think should be asked. I don't get the warm & fuzzies with Gov. Romney's 'trust me it will work. We will let Congress fil

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Scott Stroz
Gov. Romney has stated that he knows how to get the economy going again. He has stated a big part of his plan to do this is his tax plan. I do not think it is unfair to ask for at least some details of that plan - hell I would settle for even a glimpse of what he thinks should be changed for the '

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
Since everyone knows you're voting for Obama who has no plan except what we know has failed, the only reason you're trying to get the finer details is to knock Romney. It almost nothing to do with the election. Once Obama is gone people will hire. Businesses are sitting on $trillions waiting for

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
It's been proven repeatedly by Kennedy, Reagan and Bush. Clinton's surplus went away because it was based on ten years of projected earnings that disappeared with the dot-com bubble bursting. SS money was borrowed with an IOU of future revenue that never materialized. But I like that you base you

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
You can't always attack one side and pretend your not doing it to defend the other. That's like saying it depends on what the definition of is is. . On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I didn't say anything at all about Obama's plan. I simply read Romney's > and told you what

Re: Romney Tax Plan

2012-10-18 Thread Sam
I was meaning to ask this, but was too busy at work. Everyone seems to be super concerned with the minutia of Romney's tax plan as if it would make or break the election when it is nothing but minor details of his plan as president. Yet nobody has asked how Obama plans to cut the deficit in half e

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