Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-05 Thread denstar
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "My experience and intuition tells me that people will go for the low > hanging fruit and then declare victory while ignoring the harder stuff." > > Maybe so with normal people.  Congressmen are not normal people.  These are > bureaucrats who

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-05 Thread Jerry Barnes
"My experience and intuition tells me that people will go for the low hanging fruit and then declare victory while ignoring the harder stuff." Maybe so with normal people. Congressmen are not normal people. These are bureaucrats who keep taking more and more every year. Who have a sense of sel

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > " I said that a one-time $500,000 appropriation pales in comparison with an > ongoing waste of billions or hundreds of billions a year. " > > My bad.  I took your lack of energy statement as lack of care. > > I see things in a different light.

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I obviously think that independence should be just that." We agree. I just don't think it can happen. Politicians will not appoint truly independent people to a watchdog branch. "I agree. Hence I'm a fan of organizations like Wikileaks that publishes large troves of original documents." Th

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-04 Thread denstar
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Actually, I think that there are supposed to be audit agencies within the > government for these things. " > > That's like the fox guarding the hen house. Part of the whole deal with "government" -- at least *kick ass* governments -- is th

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Actually, I think that there are supposed to be audit agencies within the > government for these things. " > > That's like the fox guarding the hen house. I do think that there is a role for independent agencies within the government struc

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
Oops. It's "accept", not "except". J - I never thought this day would happen. . . . I won’t have to work on putting gas in my car. I won’t have to work at paying my mortgage. You know. If I help him, he’s gonna help me. - Peggy Josep ~~~

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Actually, I think that there are supposed to be audit agencies within the government for these things. " That's like the fox guarding the hen house. "The help of media working to bring those reports to light would be quite helpful though. A report that no one reads is kind of a waste." The wa

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Robert Munn
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> Isn't that what the media is for? > > Actually, I think that there are supposed to be audit agencies within > the government for these things. The help of media working to bring > those reports to light would be quite helpful though. A repo

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > "It would be nice to see a non-partisan investigation of all the projects to > see whether the projects were well conceived in the first place and how > their results measure up to > their initial applications. I'm sure that there are a number

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"A list, I might add, that already had to be changed by the Senators because it turns out that they were a wee bit less than honest with their cherry picking:" I warned that it was partisan. Tom and John are trying to bring even more bad light on the Democrats before November. "It's a shame, r

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Maureen
I concur. I wonder how much putting this list together cost the taxpayer. Probably considerably more than some of the projects on it. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > I believe the biggest waste of money is paying 100 buffoons to try and > entertain us with their i

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
h. > > Judah > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> Before you click, this is partisan in that tt was released by Tom Coburn >> and the "Maverick" John McCain. >> >> It also CF based. >> >> Summertime Blues: 100

Re: Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Judah McAuley
will actually bring them to light though. Judah On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Before you click, this is partisan in that  tt was released by Tom Coburn > and  the "Maverick" John McCain. > > It also CF based. > > Summertime Blues:  100 sti

Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues

2010-08-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
Before you click, this is partisan in that tt was released by Tom Coburn and the "Maverick" John McCain. It also CF based. Summertime Blues: 100 stimulus projects that give taxpayers the blues<http://coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=e1e062