Re: Taliban shoots teen who stood up for girls

2012-10-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Nice little pass on the Bush administration there Jerry. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I think we have proven that trying to eradicate oppressors like the > Taliban is not as easy via normal military means as we'd thought. " > > When

RE: Taliban shoots teen who stood up for girls

2012-10-10 Thread Eric Roberts
Here's a group of articles on this. Apparently it is huge news in Pakistan and Afghanistan is creating a huge up swell against the Taliban... http://dawn.com/malala-yousafzai/ Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Develop

Re: Taliban shoots teen who stood up for girls

2012-10-10 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I think we have proven that trying to eradicate oppressors like the Taliban is not as easy via normal military means as we'd thought. " When did "we" try to eradicate the Taliban? The US tried to, and did, remove them from power. After that, the Taliban scattered int

Re: Taliban shoots teen who stood up for girls

2012-10-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its not a matter of not working. It can work, but it should not be the only thing. You still need a multi-faceted approach - military, social, economic, security etc. Its worked before in Malaysia and several other nations that have faced an insurgency. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Vivec wr

Re: Taliban shoots teen who stood up for girls

2012-10-10 Thread Vivec
Military means is not the way to change an ideology. It will never work. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseof

Re: Taliban shoots teen who stood up for girls

2012-10-10 Thread GMoney
She's fucking awesome. And tough as shit. She got shot in the face...twice...and survived. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Ray Champagne wrote: > > I think we have proven that trying to eradicate oppressors like the Taliban > is not as easy via normal military means as we'

Taliban shoots teen who stood up for girls

2012-10-10 Thread Ray Champagne
I think we have proven that trying to eradicate oppressors like the Taliban is not as easy via normal military means as we'd thought. We need more brave people like this girl to stand up and fight in different ways. Assholes who did this to her are a sad excuse for human beings.

Re: Oops! US gives $360 million to Taliban, other enemies.

2011-08-18 Thread Vivec
This is so true! And probably is the reason for continued conflict in many areas of the world. On 18 August 2011 11:42, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Congress is examining the problem. Rep. John Tierney, D-Mass. explained, " > When war becomes good business for the insurgents, it is all the more > diffi

Oops! US gives $360 million to Taliban, other enemies.

2011-08-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
Oops! US gives $360 million to Taliban, other enemies. Excerpt: A careful audit of combat support and reconstruction contracts reveals that at least $360 million in US tax dollars has gone to fund the Taliban and terrorist operations in Afghanistan. Corrupt contractors and subcontractors are

RE: WIkileak expounding on the cosy relationship between US and Taliban!

2010-12-10 Thread Eric Roberts
I didn't need to to know that... -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 19:41 To: cf-community Subject: Re: WIkileak expounding on the cosy relationship between US and Taliban! You didn't follow the link did you? On F

Re: WIkileak expounding on the cosy relationship between US and Taliban!

2010-12-10 Thread Vivec
*snicker* :-) On 10 December 2010 21:41, Medic wrote: > > You didn't follow the link did you? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion

Re: WIkileak expounding on the cosy relationship between US and Taliban!

2010-12-10 Thread Medic
You didn't follow the link did you? On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > US has been cozy with the Taliban for a long time. I am sure they enjoyed > the several million dollars Bush gave them right before the 9/11 >

RE: WIkileak expounding on the cosy relationship between US and Taliban!

2010-12-10 Thread Eric Roberts
US has been cozy with the Taliban for a long time. I am sure they enjoyed the several million dollars Bush gave them right before the 9/11 attacks...i am sure bin Laden appreciate the financial assistance as well. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday

WIkileak expounding on the cosy relationship between US and Taliban!

2010-12-10 Thread Vivec
Something for those people that denounce the wikileaks reveal need to read! http://bit.ly/hfKBOk ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Ant

Re: Taliban rape video ...

2010-02-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
what else is new? if you read their philosophy (start with the Siege of Mecca by Yaroslav Trofimov - great account of the incident) and look at all the stuff put out by Amnesty International about the Taliban, they are not exactly nice people. By and large they are more at home in the 8th century

Taliban rape video ...

2010-02-12 Thread Robert Munn
Looks like some head honchos in the Taliban have been caught raping and murdering innocent women: http://bigjournalism.com/bthor/2010/02/12/taliban-rape-tapes-a-muslim-abu-ghraib/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-11 Thread Dana
oh ok. bless you ;) On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:47 AM, William Bowen wrote: > > ::sneeze:: yes! > > :-) > > but didn't get ratified within the deadline so was not amended to the > Constitution. > > > ::cough:: it passed? > > http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/ > > > > -- > will > > "If my life we

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-11 Thread William Bowen
::sneeze:: yes! :-) but didn't get ratified within the deadline so was not amended to the Constitution. > ::cough:: it passed? > http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/ -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~~~

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-11 Thread Maureen
It passed Congress, but failed to be ratified by enough states to become law. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Dana wrote: > > ::cough:: it passed? > http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/ > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> Technicalities >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:32 P

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Dana
::cough:: it passed? http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/ On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Sam wrote: > > Technicalities > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM, William Bowen > wrote: > > > > Though an ERA Amendment was introduced initially in the early 20's the > > version that *passed* was intr

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Sam
Technicalities On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > Though an ERA Amendment was introduced initially in the early 20's the > version that *passed* was introduced in 1972 so, it was 100 years. > >> Wasn't it 50 years? >> >> ~~~

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread William Bowen
Though an ERA Amendment was introduced initially in the early 20's the version that *passed* was introduced in 1972 so, it was 100 years. > Wasn't it 50 years? > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM, William Bowen > wrote: >> >> Given the ~100 years that passed in between I rather doubt it. >> >

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > >    * Section 7203 of the bill states that “misdemeanor willful > failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or > imprisonment of up to one year.” >    * Section 7201 of the bill states that “felony willful evasion is > punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Maureen
Sections 7203 and 7201 do not exist in the bill. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Sam wrote: > >    * Section 7203 of the bill states that “misdemeanor willful > failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or > imprisonment of up to one year.” >    * Section 7201 of the bill sta

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > Could you point out the exact text in the legislation that deals with this, > or is it another "Obama's Death Camps" piss in the wind > I think it's the second part. But it's an interesting question if taken seriously. For example: "Registration for Selective Service is also r

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Sam
Wasn't it 50 years? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > Given the ~100 years that passed in between I rather doubt it. > > >> Were they the same folks that filibustered the 14th and refused to >> ratify the 15th? > >>> Folks on the left did push for the ERA amendment. > >

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Sam
* Section 7203 of the bill states that “misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.” * Section 7201 of the bill states that “felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Maureen
It wasn't the right that killed the ERA, it was the corporate lobby. Equal pay for women scared them, so they funded people like Phyllis Schlafly to use scare tactics to defeat it. I once asked her if she felt that woman should stay home and be silent, why didn't she shut up and go home. On Tu

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Sam
Same part right? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Given the roughly 100 years between the 14/th/15th and the ERA, I'm > going to guess that no, they were not the same folks. > ~| Want to reach the ColdF

RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Scott Stewart
ailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:31 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Sam, I've never heard anyone on the left or eve

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread William Bowen
Given the ~100 years that passed in between I rather doubt it. > Were they the same folks that filibustered the 14th and refused to > ratify the 15th? >> Folks on the left did push for the ERA amendment. -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unac

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Judah McAuley
Given the roughly 100 years between the 14/th/15th and the ERA, I'm going to guess that no, they were not the same folks. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Sam wrote: > > Were they the same folks that filibustered the 14th and refused to > ratify the 15th? > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Ju

RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread LRS Scout
Well yeah it is. Meh, wtf are you gonna do right? -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:30 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"? Isn&

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Sam
Were they the same folks that filibustered the 14th and refused to ratify the 15th? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Folks on the left did push for the ERA amendment. > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion c

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Sam
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Sam, I've never heard anyone on the left or even extreme left say that they > want to rewrite the Constitution or throw any of it out... "It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the

RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Scott Stewart
Isn't that the entire Congress? -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"? Yeah they prefer to ignore i

RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread LRS Scout
Yeah they prefer to ignore it and legislate over it. -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:06 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Judah McAuley
Folks on the left did push for the ERA amendment. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Sam, I've never heard anyone on the left or even extreme left say that they > want to rewrite the Constitution or throw any of it out... > > Was it not Mike Huckabee who said: > > "But I

RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Scott Stewart
ory/0,2933,139952,00.html or this http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_administration_vs._the_U.S._ Constitution -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:47 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: So, is this guy what should be m

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Sam
Well we could also say: Left => Hope and Change => Flush the Constitution down the toilet => Use public schools as "Reeducation Camps" for all children => Blind faith On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Let's revise this > > Extreme Right => Fanatic => Theocrat => Flush t

RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-10 Thread Scott Stewart
vember 09, 2009 7:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"? Republican => Religion => Fanatic => Terrorist I know many on list list feel that way. I thought you were hinting to see who or how quickly the line w

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Judah McAuley
Not an implies arrow but rather more of a Venn diagram with more overlapping area than some are comfortable with. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Sam wrote: > > Republican => Religion => Fanatic => Terrorist > I know many on list list feel that way. I thought you were hinting to > see who or ho

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Sam
Republican => Religion => Fanatic => Terrorist I know many on list list feel that way. I thought you were hinting to see who or how quickly the line would be drawn. I'm not saying You believe it, just stirring up shit because the list is quit :) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Jerry Johnson wrot

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
Was that guy a Republican? Sounds like he was not, more a radical Libertarian or maybe an Anarchist. Or are YOU, Sam, saying that this guys killing is somehow related to Republicans? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > sounds alltogether too much like you're condoning the

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
cal Islam or a desire to create an >> Islamic state in the US in this article.  I also see nothing directly >> related to the Taliban in the text you copied. >> >> So - um, no.  What from that text even makes you ask that question? >> >> -Camer > >

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Sam
Ding ding ding. That was quick. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > This is the reason I won't vote republican until they completely sever their > ties to the " religious right" > ~| Want to reach the Cold

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Sam
I didn't read anything about religion in that article. I did read the dead guy performed late term abortions. You don't need God to tell you that's wrong. I'm not supporting his death, just evaluating the motive. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Radical religious nut tryi

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Sam
It's a way to call republicans terrorists. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > I fail to see anything about radical Islam or a desire to create an > Islamic state in the US in this article.  I also see nothing directly > related to the Taliban in th

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Vivec
It is the same violent religious extremism. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/messag

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
ise. Adapt. Overcome. Pro-abortion: safe, legal and rare. Anti-abortion: illegal and rare. It seems like the two side SHOULD have a lot to agree on. Everyone should be working towards the rare part. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > JJ wrote: > > As for the

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > As for the label, there is a Taliban. (Muslim, based in Asia). But what do > we have in American, uniquely American, that feels similar. I think this guy > (and his brethren) are as close as we have. > Yeah, that's a good point - I totally agree with that. T

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
Hmmm. Great points. But I think you are conflating the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Typically, the Taliban has not used generic violence against random civilians, but have instead used violence against people violating the very strict rules they have decided to create and enforce. (girls attending

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > Radical religious nut trying to enforce his beliefs on society at large > through violence? Wow - well I guess if you'd like to ignore all the real differences in motivation and objectives and just lump them all into one bucket, that's fine.

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Larry C. Lyons
In the end I really doubt there is an iota of difference between this person and a Taliban suicide bomber. Both want to create an extremist theocracy. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > I fail to see anything about radical Islam or a desire to create an > Isla

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > WICHITA, Kan. - A man accused of > shooting a Kansas abortion provider confessed to the slaying Monday, telling > The Associated Press that he killed the doctor to protect unborn children. > Sounds like a religious (Christian) terrorist vs. the Taliban who are

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > I fail to see anything about radical Islam or a desire to create an > Islamic state in the US in this article. I also see nothing directly > related to the Taliban in the text you copied. > > So - um, no. What f

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
directly > related to the Taliban in the text you copied. > > So - um, no. What from that text even makes you ask that question? > > -Cameron > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33802796/ns/us_news-crime_and_court

RE: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Scott Stewart
d be meant when someone says "American Taliban"? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33802796/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ AP: Man admits killing Kansas abortion doctorSays slaying was justified to protect the lives of unborn childrenWICHITA, Kan. - A man accused of shooting a Kansas abortion provider

Re: So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Cameron Childress
I fail to see anything about radical Islam or a desire to create an Islamic state in the US in this article. I also see nothing directly related to the Taliban in the text you copied. So - um, no. What from that text even makes you ask that question? -Cameron On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM

So, is this guy what should be meant when someone says "American Taliban"?

2009-11-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33802796/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ AP: Man admits killing Kansas abortion doctorSays slaying was justified to protect the lives of unborn childrenWICHITA, Kan. - A man accused of shooting a Kansas abortion provider confessed to the slaying Monday, telling The Associa

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
y post about > > it. The same when people are being totally one sided, which is why I post > > on > > Bush topics where he's accused of being the devil rather than just one in > a > > long line of demons. > > I was going to post today about a woman who hired a stripp

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
ne sided on an issue I may post about > it. The same when people are being totally one sided, which is why I post > on > Bush topics where he's accused of being the devil rather than just one in a > long line of demons. > I was going to post today about a woman who hired a stripper

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
h is why I post on Bush topics where he's accused of being the devil rather than just one in a long line of demons. I was going to post today about a woman who hired a stripper to take her place at her school reunion. When I see what I consider a foolish statement like "moderate Taliban"

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
Ok, Michael. Just answer me this. With all the news in the world every day, what drives you to post the things you post? What's your selection criteria? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > This topic re: the Taliban? So

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
I don't ignore the facts. I just don't use them to give me a warm fuzzy about being a bigot. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Grant wrote: > > > > C'mon Mike. I was born at night, but not last night. There's no shortage > of > > previous posts for me to draw my conclusio

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
This topic re: the Taliban? So was it the snarky comment about moderate Taliban that did the harm or the idea that they may one day take over Pakistan? Or was it that I posted it rather than someone else? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > For the record: I

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Grant wrote: > > C'mon Mike. I was born at night, but not last night. There's no shortage of > previous posts for me to draw my conclusions from. It's not like you ever > post a single shred of news that refers to anyone Muslim in a positive > light. Michael, you really have to back off the cri

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
For the record: I don't seriously think you'd try to kill anyone, the remote line was a gaff. However it does seem that you do more harm than good when it comes to this topic. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Wow, I never knew you had

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Wow, I never knew you had such a wrong and biased opinion of me. Murderous even, but mistaken. If you check you'll find both positive and negative posts that have some reference to Muslims. I remember one that was specifically about the Indian Muslim community condemning the Mumbai attack and pro

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
ote: > > I take it that anytime I mention the Taliban you assume it's just me > bitching about Muslims? I know I didn't say a thing about Muslims in my > post, just the Taliban. I know I didn't say anything about religious law or > practices. I even know I didn't

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
Ya, when I saw "gorilla army" I literally laughed out loud. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Michael D wrote: > > > > > Lets see. We have a country where we are in a defensive position against > a > > gorilla army. > > > > Where is this

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I take it that anytime I mention the Taliban you assume it's just me bitching about Muslims? I know I didn't say a thing about Muslims in my post, just the Taliban. I know I didn't say anything about religious law or practices. I even know I didn't say this was Muslim on Musli

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
Well. My way: stop fear mongering = does nothing to change the outcome in Pakistan. Your way: bitch about Muslims = does nothing to change the outcome in Pakistan. I choose my way. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Fear mongering? So we sho

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Michael D wrote: > > Lets see. We have a country where we are in a defensive position against a > gorilla army. Where is this gorilla army you speak of? Death to the apes! // doing my best Charlton Heston impression ~~

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Fear mongering? So we should ignore anti-human extremists who are slowly taking over an ally country that happens to have nuclear weapons? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > Does anyone else get the feeling of Deja Vu? > > *yawns at the fear mongering* ~

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
> > Then why are we sending MORE troops in there? Because it's still an active battlefield and they're sending in more troops. We kicked the Taliban out and they both returned on their own and were actually invited back by the Afgani government. OK, only the moderate ones w

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Larry Lyons
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Larry Lyons > wrote: > > Actually because of the shrubbery's f*ckup the Taliban does rule a > lot of Afghanistan again. Most of the border provinces are under the > effective command of the Taliban or their allies. Kandahar, Helmund

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad Ah, that district probably deserved to be seized. It was asking for it. All those districts are asking for it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most importa

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Robert Munn
fore Iraq. And we were certainly not prepared to invade Pakistan, where the Taliban and Al Qaeda fled. So what would have changed? > I think there is some question, but a valid argument can be made, that > Pakistan trending was hurt in a number of ways by the Iraq initiative. > It is wo

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > To be fair, I don't know that you can say those regions wouldn't be > ruled by the Taliban today if Bush had not gotten us into Iraq. I > think Afghanistan would certainly be better off if we had not diverted > our attention but that

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > Actually because of the shrubbery's f*ckup the Taliban does rule a lot of > Afghanistan again. Most of the border provinces are under the effective > command of the Taliban or their allies. Kandahar, Helmund and Paktia to nam

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Grant
Does anyone else get the feeling of Deja Vu? *yawns at the fear mongering* On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Must be them moderate Taliban folk we want to talk to. I wonder how long > it'll be before they

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Larry Lyons
>'nuretral account' form 'the Times of India'? Aren't India and Pakistan >'enemies'? Wasn't the world all worried about them lobbing nukes at each >other a few years back? The Times of India is a very well respected paper that has been slammed in the past for its neutrality on the SW asian aff

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Larry Lyons
>Laser focus? So there were no troops sent to Afghanistan once we went into >Iraq? All foreign diplomacy and efforts ended when we went into Iraq? >We're talking Pakistan here, not Afghanistan. We didn't give up on >Afghanistan and the Taliban does not rule there anymore. A

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
ll foreign diplomacy and efforts ended when we went into Iraq? > We're talking Pakistan here, not Afghanistan. We didn't give up on > Afghanistan and the Taliban does not rule there anymore. > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > >> >> You

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
trailing s. Hijacker, not hijackers. And most suicide killers are from the more educated, upper class. A VERY statistically significant portion. The ignorant use a gun and hopes to get one or two people. The smart use themselves with a bomb and gets dozens, hundreds, thousands. Smart of them. On

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Laser focus? So there were no troops sent to Afghanistan once we went into Iraq? All foreign diplomacy and efforts ended when we went into Iraq? We're talking Pakistan here, not Afghanistan. We didn't give up on Afghanistan and the Taliban does not rule there anymore. On Wed, Apr 22,

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
Which hijackers were found weeks later alive and well? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Which ones? The hijackers that died, or the ones that were found weeks later > alive and well? > > 2009/4/22 Jerry Johnson > >> >> Then why were the 9/11 hijackers mostly middle or upper mid

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Vivec
Which ones? The hijackers that died, or the ones that were found weeks later alive and well? 2009/4/22 Jerry Johnson > > Then why were the 9/11 hijackers mostly middle or upper middle class, > and highly educated? > ~| Adobe®

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
You really believe that our country's laser focus on Iraq to the detriment of out efforts in Afghanistan and the rest of the world have no bearing on this? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Of course it is Bush's fault when an ally government (Pakistan) gives in to > t

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Scott Stroz
surprising, given the degree of corruption and inequity > that has existed in Pakistan for so long. The Taliban are succeeding there > for the same reasons they came into power in Afghanistan originally. In > response to a very corrupt system. > > That said, your first sentence really doe

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
That's why the way to fight these movements is to arrest poverty, and > provide education to the masses in these countries. > Less minds to be swayed and turned to the Taliban. More positive influence > from the community. > > Everywhere, militant islam is spreading amo

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Vivec
ed to the Taliban. More positive influence from the community. Everywhere, militant islam is spreading among the poor and the disadvantaged. 2009/4/22 Casey Dougall > > WTF next there will be a ban on reading. > ~| Adob

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
My first sentence is snark based on a previous thread about Washington wanting to talk to the moderate Taliban. I read the accounts from 'local' papers but I also look at the horror stories coming out of the Swat valley. We're not talking choir boys here. That said, your first

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Larry Lyons
This is not too surprising, given the degree of corruption and inequity that has existed in Pakistan for so long. The Taliban are succeeding there for the same reasons they came into power in Afghanistan originally. In response to a very corrupt system. That said, your first sentence really

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
t. (insert NSFW joke here) On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Yeah, we _will_ be seeing a nuclear-armed Taliban in the near future. > > Too bad we lost 8 years fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq, rather > than dealing with these freaks. > >

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Must be them moderate Taliban folk we want to talk to. I wonder how long > it'll be before they have nuclear weapons. > > Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad >

Re: Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yeah, we _will_ be seeing a nuclear-armed Taliban in the near future. Too bad we lost 8 years fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq, rather than dealing with these freaks. This will, I think, be Bush's true legacy. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > M

Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Must be them moderate Taliban folk we want to talk to. I wonder how long it'll be before they have nuclear weapons. Taliban Seize District Near Islamabad http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124041153700943789.html Pakistan's Taliban have seized control of another district in the country&#

Re: former Gitmo detainee becomes a Taliban leader

2009-03-11 Thread Gruss Gott
> TheScout wrote: > > If you do that you'll go on trial for murder these days. > Unless you're a celebrity in LA County and then you'll get a gentle - but firm - wrist slapping. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most imp

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