The Palestinians are pawns. They need to look at their own leadership first
before they worry about Israel.
J
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Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon
the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. - Mohandas Gandhi
The Jews are a peculiar peo
Uh oh. It's worse then I thought... the Quebecois are spreading!
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> Medic wrote:
> >
> > I think he means Poutine, which is fries with cheese curds smothered in
> hot
> > gravy. It's actually phenomenal, but very Quebecois.
> >
>
> That's a l
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
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> So giving up Gaza wasn't showing willingness to negotiate? Going far beyond
> what was agreed to in the Oslo accord is not showing willingness to
> negotiate? What does Israel have to do to show it is willing to negotiate
> with the Palestinians. Not sacrifice themselv
Palestine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 03:08 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: The nightmare israel feared - Non Violent Resistance from
> Palestinians
>
>
> Maureen wrote:
> >
&
Untrue. There has not been any expanding of settlements for years and even
building within settlements have been curtained by the government, many
times with overwhelming force. But limitation and/or stopping settlement
building was never part of the Oslo accord.
> Problem is that Israel is stil
Abbas has stopped even giving his unbending demands. He's just left the
field and has decided to declare a state in September. A state not on any
current border but on the original 1948 borders. As if nothing has happened
since then and everything that exists in Israel will magically disappear.
He
Maureen wrote:
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> Wikipedia? Â Seriously? No bias in this article at all.
>
> I really prefer to actually know who is providing information before I
> give it any credence.
>
Or that's actually what happened.
The source of much, including the paragraph describing the Palestinian
reaction to th
Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 08:07 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: The nightmare israel feared - Non Violent Resistance from
Palestinians
Maureen wrote:
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> A negotiated peace does not consist of one side saying "bend over" and
> the
It is not to the benefit, either political or economically, of anyone
in power in Israel or Palestine to negotiate. What excuse would they
have to ask the rest of the world to carry their water if the war was
over?
Within the next few days, the US President, who cannot seem to find
money to pay
08 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: The nightmare israel feared - Non Violent Resistance from
Palestinians
Maureen wrote:
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> the validity of it, but I know enough about recent history in that
> area to know that the Israeli leadership, while perhaps not on the
> level of Bu
tmare israel feared - Non Violent Resistance from
Palestinians
Medic wrote:
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> I think he means Poutine, which is fries with cheese curds smothered
> in hot gravy. It's actually phenomenal, but very Quebecois.
>
That's a lie! I was at the Brewers game in Milwaukee thi
Wikipedia? Seriously? No bias in this article at all.
I really prefer to actually know who is providing information before I
give it any credence.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> Maureen wrote:
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>> A negotiated peace does not consist of one side saying "bend over" and
Maureen wrote:
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> A negotiated peace does not consist of one side saying "bend over" and
> the other  saying "how far".
>
I'm no expert, but from Wikipedia:
The agreement [Oslo Accords, 1993] called for the implementation of
Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip ov
A negotiated peace does not consist of one side saying "bend over" and
the other saying "how far".
Seems to me that any conversation that has ever occurred has hard
demands on both sides which the other party refuses to even consider.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> In o
Maureen wrote:
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> the validity of it, but I know enough about recent history in that
> area to know that the Israeli leadership, while perhaps not on the
> level of Bull Conner or Lord Willingdon, is far from innocent of any
> wrong doing toward the Palestinian peoples.
I'm sure there are inci
Medic wrote:
>
> I think he means Poutine, which is fries with cheese curds smothered in hot
> gravy. It's actually phenomenal, but very Quebecois.
>
That's a lie! I was at the Brewers game in Milwaukee this past
weekend and they had poutine there.
~
I think he means Poutine, which is fries with cheese curds smothered in hot
gravy. It's actually phenomenal, but very Quebecois.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Maureen wrote:
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> Gravy fries? I wouldn't need a fence to keep me away from those.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Gruss Gott
Gravy fries? I wouldn't need a fence to keep me away from those.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> Maureen wrote:
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>> It's a fence...most likely built by the US, not Canada.
>>
>
> Yeah, but they bait us with their gravy-fries.
~~
That's only Quebec.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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> Maureen wrote:
> >
> > It's a fence...most likely built by the US, not Canada.
> >
>
> Yeah, but they bait us with their gravy-fries.
>
>
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Neither the Civil Rights movement nor the Indian Freedom Movement were
totally non-violent. But most of the violence in both cases was
directed at the protesters, and some of them fought back. I don't
know enough about the Palestinian non-violence movement to speak to
the validity of it, but I k
Which sounds an awful lot like an IMF/World Bank counter-demonstration.
(which protesters are actually less generally sympathetic, since
attacking McDonalds and Walmart, and breaking windows of random
stories is not in line with many (American) bystanders feelings, but
railing against police, and
True, but it has to really be non-violent. Despite what is usually reported,
non-violent protests in the Middle East are rarely non-violent, especially
in a way that Gandhi or MLK would approve of. The media allows just about
anything short of actual shooting at people to be considered non-violent
Maureen wrote:
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> It's a fence...most likely built by the US, not Canada.
>
Yeah, but they bait us with their gravy-fries.
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It's a fence...most likely built by the US, not Canada.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
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> Oh yeah?
>
> What is this, then?
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Fence_along_the_Montana%E2%80%93Alberta_border_-_19940726.jpg
>
> =)
>
> On Wed, May 18,
I think Vivec has a brilliant point, though.
Much of this "conflict" at this point is a media game. Which the
Palestinians kept seeming to deliberately lose with their flailing
undirected violence.
If they move towards more "traditional" nonviolent protests,
especially coordinated in multiple ci
Oh yeah?
What is this, then?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Fence_along_the_Montana%E2%80%93Alberta_border_-_19940726.jpg
=)
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Medic wrote:
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> Canada doesn't have fences between countries.
~~
1. Non violent in this case includes slingshots, huge stones, firebombs, and
other non-gun type weapons. What is non-violent against Israel is intent to
kill in America (and other countries).
2. Border fences were ripped down. Kind of an international no-no.
3. People on the Syrian side were busse
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Medic wrote:
> Canada doesn't have fences between countries.
You almost became part of USA if it wasn't for the revolutionary war
going so far south.
~|
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Canada doesn't have fences between countries.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
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> Yes, but they also show that some of the "nonviolent" protest included
> at least 2 mobs tearing down the fences between countries.
>
> Which is generally frowned upon by most any countr
Vivec wrote:
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> http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/05/israel_and_palestine_0?fsrc=scn%2Ffb%2Fwl%2Fbl%2Fherecomesyournonviolentresistance
>
> "FOR many years now, we've heard American commentators bemoan the violence
> of the Palestinian national movement. If only Palestinians
Yes, but they also show that some of the "nonviolent" protest included
at least 2 mobs tearing down the fences between countries.
Which is generally frowned upon by most any country. Canada, US,
Egypt.Switzerland.
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> http://www.economist.com/blog
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/05/israel_and_palestine_0?fsrc=scn%2Ffb%2Fwl%2Fbl%2Fherecomesyournonviolentresistance
"FOR many years now, we've heard American commentators bemoan the violence
of the Palestinian national movement. If only Palestinians had learned the
lesson
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