Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:56 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
> > ColdFusion is a horrible name from marketing purposes.
>
> How many of you get confused with physicists?
>
> (Judith raises her hand. : ) )
>
Don't even get that far. I s
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:36 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
> ColdFusion is a horrible name from marketing purposes.
How many of you get confused with physicists?
(Judith raises her hand. : ) )
Judith
~~
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> > ColdFusion is a horrible name from marketing purposes.
>
> How many of you get confused with physicists?
>
> (Judith raises her hand. : ) )
>
Don't even get that far. I say "We're a ColdFusion programming company"
Then I'd like to talk about "programming" as in "we can solve problems, we
h
Actually, I took a phone call a year or so ago from an elderly gentleman who
had apparently seen my site's mention of ColdFusion. He said that he'd heard
about Cold Fusion years ago and was wondering what was new with it. He was,
of course, referring to the scientific process, not the software. :)
> ColdFusion is a horrible name from marketing purposes.
How many of you get confused with physicists?
(Judith raises her hand. : ) )
Judith
~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at
http://www.fusionauthority.c
> And despite the fact that in all the magazines and comparisons that I see
> done independently, Allaire CF beats the rest, it just isn't making
> inroads...it isn't becoming BUZZ worthy..
> and I just can't freaking understand why...and its frustrating.
>
> Because I know the language, I know i
Each state has their own system
suggest you go to the web page for your state
www.state.XX.us
Oregon being www.state.or.us
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: Use .jsp
In a message dated 04/08/2001 12:29:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I found two RFPs already, but the deadlines are probably too near for those
> contracts.
Where do you look for RFPs?
~~
Structure your ColdFusion code wi
> >
> > Which state? If the weather is nice, maybe we'll move :)
> >
>
> Mississippi, but you may have to learn JSP, unless, of course, you
> already know it. In which case, you're a shoo-in. Nobody else does!
>
Let's see: it snowed this morning
I don't know JSP
hum...
>
> > I'm going to
Tom Horn wrote:
>
> Which state? If the weather is nice, maybe we'll move :)
>
Mississippi, but you may have to learn JSP, unless, of course, you
already know it. In which case, you're a shoo-in. Nobody else does!
> I'm going to research the vendor requirements for Oregon over the weekend.
>
>
> Not entirely true, Tom.
Yes, I've found that out from this post and various others.
I work for state government. We recently had a
> fantastic opportunity to get CF in the door with our upcoming portal
> site and, hence, with dozens of other agencies and departments who will
> follow su
Tom Horn wrote:
>
> MicroSoft is a vast superior marketing company
>
> They get all the government contracts because MS products are on the
> approved vendors lists -- but Allaire products aren't
>
> Which means we can't do CF work for the military, or the Federal government,
> or state governm
>
>
> > Which means we can't do CF work for the military, or the Federal
> > government, or state governments, or
I Disagree we built HUD's entire site with CF, they aren't going to switch
it. There are quite
a few Gov contracts out there using CF.
~~~
Angél Stewart wrote:
>
> If that wasn't programming then I don't know what is! I could have used
> MSAccess and VB, but I specifically did it IN Coldfusion to prove a
> point..and the point seems to have slipped neatly above the heads of those
> 'in charge' of the tools and the money spent on tho
>
> Sure you can! You just need to get on their list of bidders. There's a
heck
> of a lot of CF being used by/at the military bases here in San Antonio.
I've
> sold CF software directly to military procurement types at one of them,
and
> I've also sold CF software to the City of Austin.
O
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 7:14 AM
>
>
> MicroSoft is a vast superior marketing company
>
True, true.
> They get all the government contracts because MS products are on the
> approved vendors lists -- but Allaire pr
>
> I've figured CFs problem..and I can sum it up in one word: MARKETING.
Allaire's problem, absolutely
> It is the owners of the Fortune 500 companies, it is the people that RUN
> businesses...
> They need to reach the CLIENTS of the developers...
Allaire tried with Spectra
MicroSoft is a
*rubs eyes*
Gosh...that party was cool :)
I'm still on an adrenaline rush
hee hee .
I've figured CFs problem..and I can sum it up in one word: MARKETING.
They aren't doing enough to market the product to the audience that they
really need to reach..that audience is NOT developers.
It is the own
unity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
> This is what I sent my immediate manager..we're very informal in our
> relationship , so don't think I'm going to get fired tomorrow or anything
(I
> hope) hee hee
ril 06, 2001 5:43 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Goddamned managers! Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
>
>
> Chris
> I saw you pix up at
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/users/index.cfm?RecordID=12 and it
> look like you might have just
> *eaten* that point-haired manager!!
&g
> > From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:21 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Goddamned managers! Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
> >
> >
> > Pssst ...
> >
> > Map JSP as an extension to be proc
Nice bit-o-research :)
> Regressing to Plaint Text has made it a lot more difficult to read I'm
> afraid :-\
>
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Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
~~
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> From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:21 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Goddamned managers! Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
>
>
> Pssst ...
>
> Map JSP as an extension to be processed by ColdFusi
Hmm..that's an idea..
But based on what I said..would Java/.jsp really be a better choice than CF
in this particular instance, Ben?
Looking at the best solution to the project, rather than best overall
product or anything.
No one on staff knows java/.jsp to even an intermediate level.
We want
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:47 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Goddamned managers! Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
>
>
>Gods I knew I should have stayed home.
>
>Imagine this..we have a Business 2 Business system to implement in the
>timeframe of about 1 month.
>
>The
write Java based apps in
CF. :-)
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From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:47 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Goddamned managers! Use .jsp and not .cfm ..
Gods I knew I should have stayed home.
Imagine this..we have a Business 2 Bus
VB) background, they'll be
better off than me, though.
Good luck! I know how management can get about buzzword-compliance.
Kevin
> -Original Message-
> From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Godda
This is what I sent my immediate manager..we're very informal in our
relationship , so don't think I'm going to get fired tomorrow or anything (I
hope) hee hee hee :)
It was orignally in HTML format though..with Horizontal rules, and bold and
colored text to make things stand out.
Regressing to P
Gel
We are doing a talk at tomorrow's CF Underground II on CF vs JSP. I am sure the
audience will get involved and we
will have a good discussion on this I will add your comments in from the islands
and we will post up the
results to share at http://www.cfconf.org/
- Michael Smith, TeraTech
Gods I knew I should have stayed home.
Imagine this..we have a Business 2 Business system to implement in the
timeframe of about 1 month.
The 'managers' want us to use .jsp against an Oracle backend, because ".jsp
is the way to go, and we need to learn it.."
No one knows java, far less .jsp to
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