> Won wrote:
> 8% default rate does not mean 20% of the mortgages are useless. You are
> forgetting two very important facts.
> A) You are forgetting to include the consequences that when you default on
> your mortgage you run the very real risk of losing your home.
> b) 8% default affects more th
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:36 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Wow! Holy Snub
>
> > Won wrote:
> > happen even if it was triggered by something else. While we could
>
> Won wrote:
> happen even if it was triggered by something else. While we could argue
> over what to call the bottoming of the real estate market, I feel
> comfortable calling a 8%+ default rate on subprimes a crisis.
>
Well I'd toss out 3 points to that:
(1.) Since pre-2001 the CFMA didn't exi
> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:30 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Wow! Holy Snub
>
> > Won Lee wrote:
> > Even if the housing crisis was predictable, the degree of it wasn't.
&
> Won Lee wrote:
> Even if the housing crisis was predictable, the degree of it wasn't.
I don't agree, but then I don't agree we had a housing crisis: we had
a finance sector crisis.
Through poor regulation and oversight an entire sector (in violation
of old anti-trust concepts) was able to put a
I don't blame the crisis on him, just saying he encouraged it by
continuing to lower rates even after the problems started to show,
then wrote a book blaming Bush. He had too long of a run and I stopped
trusting his judgment in the 80's.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Won Lee wrote:
> Even if
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:53 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Wow! Holy Snub
>
> Yeah, Bush definitely had his faults.
>
> I imagine he thought keeping him up to speed would give h
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Carter gives the Clintons the snub. He's kind of dickish.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6689418
>
>
come on... who ever put the initial story online should work for the
inquirer. talk about a gossip column.
They just hung ou
> Sam wrote:
> You're still on that? The housing crisis led to the banking crisis
> which caused the auto crisis. Now everyone's afraid of losing jobs so
> they're not buying unneeded crap. There goes retail stores.
>
Just a few questions for you then Mr. Finance:
* If the "housing crisis" led to
Maybe he should help them like he helped Chicago.
He made a lot of promises there.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>>Speaking of being dickish...
>>
>>Great way to start the change
>>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17700.html
>
> Mind you most of the promises made in
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> If Bush perceived that as a problem why didn't he replace Greenspan,
> deal with it through Treasury, or go public with problem?
That's my complaint.
> Didn't Bush in fact wholly endorse lowering rates to the tune of 11
> times in 2001? And
>Speaking of being dickish...
>
>Great way to start the change
>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17700.html
Mind you most of the promises made in the wake of Katrina have not been kept,
and by all appearances deliberately so. So while it may be a bit of a slam, its
also very true.
~~~
> Sam wrote:
> I imagine he thought keeping him up to speed would give him better judgment.
> The housing crises was predictable for a long time yet AG kept lowering rates.
>
If Bush perceived that as a problem why didn't he replace Greenspan,
deal with it through Treasury, or go public with probl
Yeah, Bush definitely had his faults.
I imagine he thought keeping him up to speed would give him better judgment.
The housing crises was predictable for a long time yet AG kept lowering rates.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> Why do you want to know?
>>
>
> J
> Sam wrote:
> Why do you want to know?
>
Just curious what you think. I mean Bush obviously liked him.
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Why do you want to know?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> Opps too soon...
>>
>> I remember being furious with Bush for never dumping him knowing he
>> kept raising rates on his dad to help get Clinton elected.
>>
>
> Why do you think Greenspan spent a record am
> Sam wrote:
> Opps too soon...
>
> I remember being furious with Bush for never dumping him knowing he
> kept raising rates on his dad to help get Clinton elected.
>
Why do you think Greenspan spent a record amount of meetings with W
when he was first elected?
~~~
Clinton is a sexual predator. His history of using his power to force
himself on women.
We can at least thank him for destroying the NOW as a political force by
showing them to value political expediency over their own constituents.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Sam wrote:
> Don't forget he
> Sam wrote:
> I remember being furious with Bush for never dumped him.
>
Why?
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Opps too soon...
I remember being furious with Bush for never dumping him knowing he
kept raising rates on his dad to help get Clinton elected.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Sam wrote:
> I remember being furious with Bush for never dumped him.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Robert Munn
It's always so polite when they congratulate you so courteously.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Charlie Griefer
wrote:
> i figured there was enough distance between us that i was safe. if i was
> incorrect, then let me be the first to say, "well done, sir".
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM,
I remember being furious with Bush for never dumped him.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> My bad, I forgot he held that job for so long.
>
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My bad, I forgot he held that job for so long.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Sam wrote:
> Wasn't Greenspan already there when Clinton arrived?
>
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Don't forget he lied to cover up a sexual harassment suit. Then there
was witness tampering.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> I blame him for having the affair in the first place. I have the same
> distaste for John Edwards. I don't honestly care about the affair all
> that
> ChuckG wrote:
> ermm... well, he *did* leave a mark y'know...
>
Yeah, hey, is that mark in the Smithsonian?
It should be ...
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Wasn't Greenspan already there when Clinton arrived?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> Clinton doesn't get any special blame for it, except for the Greenspan pick.
> Congress gets a huge amount of blame for pushing risky loan practices in an
> ideologically driven attempt to
i figured there was enough distance between us that i was safe. if i was
incorrect, then let me be the first to say, "well done, sir".
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> I thought you weren't standing up while I was drinking Charlie
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Char
> Judah wrote:
> Well, off the top of my head, I believe that you and Robert have been
> blaming Clinton for the subprime mortgage crisis.
>
HEY! I want credit too. I've been blaming Clinton for signing the
CFMA which triggered the crisis.
Now granted Bush had 7 years to fix Clinton's mistakes
Your so-called truths are too biased for me to accept.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Maureen wrote:
> I said I wasn't going to insult him anymore. Pointing out the truth is
> not an attack or an insult.
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Maureen wrote:
> Just in the last few months, on this list, there have been posts
> blaming Clinton for everything from 9/11 to Freddie and Fannie Mac
> deregulation to the economic collapse.
Clinton likely could have avoided 9/11.
That doesn't make it his fault.
I thought you weren't standing up while I was drinking Charlie
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Charlie Griefer
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
>>
>> Clinton had a golden opportunity to leave his mark on the world.
>
>
> ermm... well, he *did* leave a mark y'know
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Clinton had a golden opportunity to leave his mark on the world.
ermm... well, he *did* leave a mark y'know...
--
I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
wife. And I wish you my kind of success.
~
I blame him for having the affair in the first place. I have the same
distaste for John Edwards. I don't honestly care about the affair all
that much in and of itself. That's between him, his wife and the
person(s) he has the affair with. But damn it, we aren't talking about
a normal job here.
You
Everything!
Everything he did while president and the way he acts after.
He supports terrorist before his own country.
And all those houses he built on the garbage dump are falling down.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Out of curiosity, what do you not respect Carter for?
It started in March of 2001. Not blaming Clinton, just saying Bush
didn't cause it. It's part of the cycle.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Then there was the first recession of Bush's administration. I recall
> you blaming that on Clinton.
>
~
I blame Greenspan more than anyone. After yakking about irrational
exuberance in the stock market, he sat on the sidelines for the housing
bubble. He could have suggested to Congress that pushing Fannie and Freddie
deeper into the risky loan market was reckless. He did note that the housing
bubble
You would. Doesn't mean you're right.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Sam wrote:
> I'm saying most can be blamed on local government.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Maureen wrote:
>> Are you saying there were no government failures regarding Katrina?
Jimmy Carter started that program.
It's pointed out when you blame Bush for a program that existed for
many years. The major sub-prime problem was with the Dems in Congress.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Well, off the top of my head, I believe that you and Robert have be
I'm saying most can be blamed on local government.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Maureen wrote:
> Are you saying there were no government failures regarding Katrina?
>
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> There are a lot of people who have never forgiven Clinton for lying to
>their face about the Monica scandal - Carter, Sam Nunn, the Kennedys.
Well I for one would've done the exact same thing when faced with admitting
cheating in front of a nation. I wouldn't ever cheat on my wife, but if I
did
I said I wasn't going to insult him anymore. Pointing out the truth is
not an attack or an insult.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Sam wrote:
> So much for not attacking Bush anymore :)
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
>> There is nothing dickish about speaking the truth. Bu
Just in the last few months, on this list, there have been posts
blaming Clinton for everything from 9/11 to Freddie and Fannie Mac
deregulation to the economic collapse. Go back eight years and you'll
find him blamed for almost every problem Bush has faced.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Scott
Then there was the first recession of Bush's administration. I recall
you blaming that on Clinton.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Sam wrote:
> Like?
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Maureen wrote:
>> And that would different from every time Bush failed it was blamed on
>> Clinton?
~~
Well, off the top of my head, I believe that you and Robert have been
blaming Clinton for the subprime mortgage crisis.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Sam wrote:
> Like?
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Maureen wrote:
>> And that would different from every time Bush failed it was blamed on
I don't want to attack Bush. I want him prosecuted, not persecuted.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Sam wrote:
> So much for not attacking Bush anymore :)
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
>> There is nothing dickish about speaking the truth. Bush's failures
>> and references
Like?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Maureen wrote:
> And that would different from every time Bush failed it was blamed on Clinton?
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So much for not attacking Bush anymore :)
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
> There is nothing dickish about speaking the truth. Bush's failures
> and references to them aren't going to vanish just because he left
> Washington. In fact, all of sins are going to see the light of day
What did Clinton get blamed for?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Maureen wrote:
> And that would different from every time Bush failed it was blamed on
> Clinton?
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> > That's right, everytime Obama fails at something , it will be blamed on
Are you saying there were no government failures regarding Katrina?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Sam wrote:
> I know you believe it to be true. You also respect Carter.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>> Sounds like plain truth to me. Are you going to bitch at them
Out of curiosity, what do you not respect Carter for?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Sam wrote:
> I know you believe it to be true. You also respect Carter.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>> Sounds like plain truth to me. Are you going to bitch at them for
>> calling
And that would different from every time Bush failed it was blamed on Clinton?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> That's right, everytime Obama fails at something , it will be blamed on
> Bush.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
>> There is nothing dickish a
Ron Jeremy is a nice guy, btw. Don't know about John Holmes, never met him.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
> Carter is a bigger dick than John Holmes and Ron Jeremy combined.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Carter gives the Clintons the snub.
Fortunately he's not as hairy.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
> Carter is a bigger dick than John Holmes and Ron Jeremy combined.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Carter gives the Clintons the snub. He's kind of dickish.
>>
>> http://abcnews.
I know you believe it to be true. You also respect Carter.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Sounds like plain truth to me. Are you going to bitch at them for
> calling water wet?
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That's right, everytime Obama fails at something , it will be blamed on
Bush.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Maureen wrote:
> There is nothing dickish about speaking the truth. Bush's failures
> and references to them aren't going to vanish just because he left
> Washington.
--
Scott Stroz
Carter is a bigger dick than John Holmes and Ron Jeremy combined.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Carter gives the Clintons the snub. He's kind of dickish.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6689418
>
~~~
Maybe, since he is older than dirt, Carter just didn't see them?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Carter gives the Clintons the snub. He's kind of dickish.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6689418
>
>
~~
There is nothing dickish about speaking the truth. Bush's failures
and references to them aren't going to vanish just because he left
Washington. In fact, all of sins are going to see the light of day, so
you might as well get used to seeing him denigrated.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Sam w
> ChuckG wrote:
> well then you'd think they'd all hit it off swimmingly in a big pile of
> dickery.
Once I was stuck at an event-thing and somehow all of us grumpy dicks
ended up stewing over our drinks in silence in a common corner. By
the bar of course.
So we're all standing there in black ti
Sounds like plain truth to me. Are you going to bitch at them for
calling water wet?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Sam wrote:
> Speaking of being dickish...
>
> Great way to start the change
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17700.html
>
~
The Obama team seems to be doing everything in their power to set themselves
up for failure.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Sam wrote:
> Speaking of being dickish...
>
> Great way to start the change
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17700.html
~~
Speaking of being dickish...
Great way to start the change
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I'd include myself in that list. I supported Clinton in 92. I worked
going door to door on single payer healthcare in 93/94. By 96 I was
pretty disillusioned. By 2000 I was tired and just wanted them to go
away.
There was a capacity for greatness there that was horribly squandered.
I won't forgive
You really think we don't trust Hillary because Bill lied?
You really aren't a big picture person.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Maureen wrote:
> There are a lot of people who have never forgiven Clinton for lying to
> their face about the Monica scandal - Carter, Sam Nunn, the Kennedys.
> O
There are a lot of people who have never forgiven Clinton for lying to
their face about the Monica scandal - Carter, Sam Nunn, the Kennedys.
One of the reasons a lot of them didn't support Hillary.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Carter gives the Clintons the snub. He's ki
well then you'd think they'd all hit it off swimmingly in a big pile of
dickery.
unless this is one of those examples of opposites attract...
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> The Clinton's are kind of dicks.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Carte
The Clinton's are kind of dicks.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Carter gives the Clintons the snub. He's kind of dickish.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6689418
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Carter gives the Clintons the snub. He's kind of dickish.
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