> JB wrote:
> I pretty much hate all politicians, some more than others.
>
> As I have stated before, I want term limits, an end to straight ticket
> ballots, no party listed on ballot, registration and voter verification
> reform (a purple thumb is fine with me). I want to add annual mandatory t
Thanks Michael!
When I die, these posts will probably be worth even more.
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> Don't worry Denny. It wasn't los
Don't worry Denny. It wasn't lost on all of us.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:45 PM, denstar wrote:
>
> You just had to take a work of art, and drag it back into the muck,
> didn't ya, punk?
>
> I expected at least an analogy of Omni Consumer Products or some such.
> Sheesh.
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009
> Judah wrote:
> Medicare has some serious financial problems laying ahead. I have no
> idea what the hell you are talking about however.
>
To be blunt I'm saying if you think $200B is even remotely impactful
then you have no clue what kind of numbers are out there.
There are single plans lookin
"So you're fine with the current crew hocking the country for their friends
and family?"
God no. In my opinion, this is the most inept administration in the history
of the country.
"At least when the GOP ran up government we got something in return, this
time we got squat."
Maybe, but your sen
> Judah wrote:
> Considering the size of the lobbying influence against health
> insurance reform, I see no great surprise in the dearth of regulatory
> zeal.
>
Lobbying is surely a problem, yet I'm not sure what the solution is.
Anyway, these sites might be of interest to track the money in hea
You just had to take a work of art, and drag it back into the muck,
didn't ya, punk?
I expected at least an analogy of Omni Consumer Products or some such. Sheesh.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Denny wrote:
>> I too, am all freaked out and scared about being attacked by
I wasn't actually talking about Medicare at all, I guess you need to
read up on Wyden's health care proposals since he has been one of the
few Senators steadily working on health care reform over the last 10
years.
As for Medicare, well, which numbers are you talking about?
Here is this years an
> Judah wrote:
> entire amendment. Outside groups scored it as saving 198 Billion over
> 10 years (which I think is rather optimistic) while the CBO doesn't
$200 billion over 10 years?
Isn't that like .005% of today's medicare deficit? and over 10 years?
So your point is that Obama's plan will
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> And the only time proven way to do that is when consumers bring their
> power to the market.
Btw, did you see how Wyden got shafted at the Finance Committee?
Baucus holds his amendment (which would allow for consumer choice and
plan portabili
No, Medicare is run well for any health insurance program. I agree
that it has financial difficulties. No question there. But considering
the population that they serve and the increasing costs of the
services they cover, it is really surprising that Medicare is in as
good a shape as it is. There
> Judah wrote:
> On the other hand, the Federal government has a pretty decent record
> running Medicare and Medicaid for a good long time now. So what is so
> bad about expanding a Medicare(like) program to people under
> retirement age?
>
Because the core problem with Medicare is that it's run
I vacillate about term limits. I think that it is a decentish idea in
some ways but I also think that there is an up side to having
continuity and people that serve for a long time and do a good job. I
think that we wouldn't have as much of a need for term limits if we
could just get campaign fina
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Well maybe Judah can explain why he thinks a government that failed at
> regulating an industry will be successful at running it.
Government often has a poor record in industry regulation, especially
under certain administrations which take an
So you're fine with the current crew hocking the country for their
friends and family?
At least when the GOP ran up government we got something in return,
this time we got squat.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> "40 seats have to change, we did better than that in 94"
>
Wasn't it you playing Ostrich when Bush wanted to fix SS? That was a
problem that needed fixing. Health care could use some improvements.
last time Hillary forced these people to the table it got much worse,
why do it again?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Sam wrote:
>> Y
> Sam wrote:
> You're looking to solve problems that don't need solving. I'm looking
> to improve on a great system not replace it with a failed one.
>
Ok, that's what I thought: the ostrich approach. There's a reason
why insurance companies and Pharma are at the table Sam.
They know the curre
"40 seats have to change, we did better than that in 94"
But it won't matter if the country elects 40 more self-serving blowhards.
It will just prolong the current problems. The US is not a two party system
anymore. It is a one party system with two branches: Big Government
Quickly and Big Gov
You still cry if someone doesn't support Obama on the points you do.
So don't play the stupid reading comprehension card. It's childish.
As for the rest, looks like Obama is going to cut taxes just like
Reagan and Bush did.
Spending your way out of a recession is a proven failure, now let's
try s
I know that reading comprehension isn't your strong point Sam, but I
have regularly stated all sorts of things I disagree with Obama on.
He's shaping up to be a decent leader but I have some major policy
disagreements with him. And yes, I do worry a great deal about the
federal debt. Perhaps if we
Obama borrowed $9 trillion over the next ten years to...
Where is that money anyway?
It sure as hell didn't fix the economy.
You're blind love for Obama is childish and comical.
Surey you can talk about the good and the bad without crying like a
first grader if someone doesn't agree with him? Can
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Well, let's break this out, because you have separate problems:
>
> (1.) The top problem is rising costs of health care. In other words
> the size of the bills and frequency that providers and facilities
> charge is rising much faster than in
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Sam wrote:
>>> Obama is just one baby boomer and yes he spent it ALL in less then a year.
>>
>> No, really, Bush took longer than a year. Maybe he's slow, but well,
>> we pseudo-elected him.
>>
> Who spent more? Bush in 8 years or Obama in 8 months?
Spent on wha
> Sam wrote:
> Lot's of things you can do to make it better. Start with letting
> everyone join a group. Then remove pre-existing conditions. Make it so
> companies can't fire you when you get cancer. That's just a few off
> the top of my head.
Well, let's break this out, because you have separat
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
Lot's of things you can do to make it better. Start with letting
everyone join a group. Then remove pre-existing conditions. Make it so
companies can't fire you when you get cancer. That's just a few off
the top of my head. You don't need to spen
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> In defense of Bush not listening to his intelligence folk, at the time
> it wouldn't have seemed like a priority.
>
> Despite the fact that the Bin Laden desk was "running around with
> their hair on fire all summer", I'm sure there were about
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>> Obama is just one baby boomer and yes he spent it ALL in less then a year.
>
> No, really, Bush took longer than a year. Maybe he's slow, but well,
> we pseudo-elected him.
>
Who spent more? Bush in 8 years or Obama in 8 months?
>>
>> I d
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
>
> That is a fascinating bit of prognostication. Current Senate shows
> Democrats with a 58-40 edge with 2 independents caucusing with the
> D's. D's have two Senators not running for their seat and R's have 6.
> D's have 16 sitting going fo
I favor a government financier in addition to private models to start
with. The market has been warped enough that the classical small scale
sticks and carrots seem to have been utterly ineffective over the
course of decades. I'd wished it were otherwise and that a pure
private market solution wit
> Judah wrote:
>>> Reading some about the founder of neo-conservatism - Irving kristol -
>>> I find it ironic that despite his changing everything and bringing
>>> Reagan to power, his movement destroyed itself and is back to where he
>>> started.
>>
>> I don't think so.
>
> You don't think.
So,
> Sam wrote:
>
blah blah blah
In defense of Bush not listening to his intelligence folk, at the time
it wouldn't have seemed like a priority.
Despite the fact that the Bin Laden desk was "running around with
their hair on fire all summer", I'm sure there were about 1000 other
teams also competin
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>>
>> The baby-boomers have ensured that not only have they spent all of our
>> money, they've spent all of our trust and good will.
>
> Obama is just one baby boomer and yes he spent it ALL in less
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Sam wrote:
> The GOP will have the house and the senate next election.
> Next president will have an R next his/her name
That is a fascinating bit of prognostication. Current Senate shows
Democrats with a 58-40 edge with 2 independents caucusing with the
D's. D's
Berkowitz's dog got him to kill people too.
That didn't make the dog right :)
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Sam wrote:
>> The Saudis asked us there to protect them against Iraq. So that
>> argument doesn't work.
>>
>
> I'm just repeating what Bin Laden said and given tha
> Sam wrote:
> The Saudis asked us there to protect them against Iraq. So that
> argument doesn't work.
>
I'm just repeating what Bin Laden said and given that he got some
dudes to kill themselves by flying planes into buildings ... I'd say
the argument worked.
~~
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> 9/11 happened for 3 core reasons:
>
> (1.) Foreign policy: US enabling of corrupt mid-east regimes or
> meddling in internal affairs
The Saudis asked us there to protect them against Iraq. So that
argument doesn't work.
> (2.) Domestic poli
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> The baby-boomers have ensured that not only have they spent all of our
> money, they've spent all of our trust and good will.
Obama is just one baby boomer and yes he spent it ALL in less then a year.
> Reading some about the founder of neo
> Denny wrote:
> I too, am all freaked out and scared about being attacked by
> non-native terrorists (the locals are like, passe these days).
It's an interesting point Denny but not a practical one.
9/11 happened for 3 core reasons:
(1.) Foreign policy: US enabling of corrupt mid-east regimes
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
...
> I mean if you wanted to get into the US to do some mayhem, what a
> perfect opportunity to slip in.
...
Oh yeah, and what a perfect target. Better than the Super Bowl.
Hell- I think we should be using lasers and land-mines and stuff
aroun
> Grant wrote:
>
> Though it might be nice if America had something good to focus on for a
> while. Something non-partisan the whole country could come together on.
>
That won't happen again in our lifetimes.
The baby-boomers have ensured that not only have they spent all of our
money, they've s
> Scott wrote:
>
> It has less to do with US immigration policy, than the TV press that Chicago
> got in the days leading up to the vote... The press showed the citizens of
> Chicago protesting the bid, saying that Chicago was already deep in debt and
> asking why the city government could find th
Though it might be nice if America had something good to focus on for a
while. Something non-partisan the whole country could come together on.
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> RoMunn wrote:
>
> did anyone outside chicago seriously think they were going to get picked?
> the tv reporters on chicago news were in disbelief, but i don't know why.
> south america has never hosted the games and rio had a strong bid.
>
Yeah, I think you've got it right. I wouldn't be surpri
Rio is know as one of the most violent cities in the world.
Must be some other reason.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Scott Stewart wrote:
>
> It has less to do with US immigration policy, than the TV press that Chicago
> got in the days leading up to the vote... The press showed the citizens
WOW. Obama uses his last bit presidential clout to win the Olympics
and get's smacked down and you turn it in to it's Bush's fault.
Wake up.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> That the primary reason for Chicago's loss has been reported to be its
> draconian border control polici
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> LOL!
>
> Brazil is the 10th largest economy in the world, and it is capitalist.
> The economy is doing MUCH MUCH better than the US Economy during this world
> recession.
> They were the last to fall into a recession, and the first to come out of
>
s Angeles or Lake
Placid...
maybe because New York and California are where the TV profits are...?
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Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 8:07 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: chicago loses olympic bid
That the primary reason for Chicago
I chose not to reply ;-)
2009/10/4 Michael Grant
>
> A perfectly reasonable response. Uh huh.
>
>
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A perfectly reasonable response. Uh huh.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
>
> I read the stupid article already. So what? Do you think that there
> could be a remote chance that an athlete could be compromised by
> terrorists? I think this is a possibility, so we need to ensu
I read the stupid article already. So what? Do you think that there
could be a remote chance that an athlete could be compromised by
terrorists? I think this is a possibility, so we need to ensure that
they are vetted properly. But who cares? We are not hosting the Olympics
and that is fine wi
Immigration for people already in the US and overstaying VISAs is not what
the post was about actually.
You really should look at the comments on the slashdot.org site to see which
policies the IOC had a problem with.
We're not talking about visiting athletes, we are talking about Visitors,
touri
Well for one, it is the Times that is reporting this.
That aside, I have no problems with tough standards. There are many here
in the US on expired visas and that has to stop. Not sure how we are
going to do this but it has to stop. I have no problem with someone with
a valid US visa visiting
That the primary reason for Chicago's loss has been reported to be its
draconian border control policies.
Duh?
Go and ask Slashdot what was their point posting the story given that
Chicago just lost the olypmics.
I'd love to see the responses to that.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/10/03/122
So what's you point?
Vivec wrote:
> And one of the primary reasons for Chicago's Loss?
> Draconian border control policies for tourists.
>
> "Yesterday, Chicago lost its bid for the 2016
> Olympics (which went to Rio de Janiero instead), and it's looking very
> likely that [0]US border procedures
And one of the primary reasons for Chicago's Loss?
Draconian border control policies for tourists.
"Yesterday, Chicago lost its bid for the 2016
Olympics (which went to Rio de Janiero instead), and it's looking very
likely that [0]US border procedures were one of the main factors which
knocked Ch
"Tell the people living for generations in the ghettoes in the US that the
poor don't stay poor. ;-)"
Now that is an interesting line. Are these the same poor who have been
getting welfare for the same amount of time?
If welfare worked, wouldn't it put itself out of business?
Anyway, there are
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> Not to say it was 100% roses and everything went perfectly - it did
> not. However, having been born and raised in Atlanta, and having
> lived here during the Olympic bid, during the Olympics, and after - I
> can tell you it had a very p
No arguments here. It was a pretty badly titled article, IMO, as well.
Should've been titled "Olimpics' impact would have been swell on Chicago"
Who pays for what was interesting tho (wikipedia, not this article).
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abil
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, denstar wrote:
> Cool, here's another:
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-olympics-atlanta-21-sep21,0,2542212.story
>
> It's got popups and crap. bleh. Title is: "Olympics' impact on
> Atlanta still subject to debate".
Pretty superficial and doesn't reall
LOL!
Brazil is the 10th largest economy in the world, and it is capitalist.
The economy is doing MUCH MUCH better than the US Economy during this world
recession.
They were the last to fall into a recession, and the first to come out of
it.
Tell the people living for generations in the ghettoes
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:58 PM, denstar wrote:
>> I like that attitude: "we may be in debt, but it's worth it".
>
> No - actually more like we aren't in debt at all. As I said in my
> email I wasn't aware of any debt, and I investigat
AKA the land of opportunity.
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Just like in the States? ;-)
>
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Haha, thats funny. Not true, but funny.
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Date: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:33:35 pm
To: "cf-community"
From: "Vivec"
Subject: Re: chicago loses olympic bid
Just like in the States? ;-)
2009/10/3 sor...@gmail.com
>
> I'm pretty sure
Just like in the States? ;-)
2009/10/3 sor...@gmail.com
>
> I'm pretty sure that the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor there.
>
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I'm pretty sure that the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor there.
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Date: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:28:32 pm
To: "cf-community"
From: "Vivec"
Subject: Re: chicago loses olympic bid
Brazil deserved it.
I think it's a much bet
Brazil deserved it.
I think it's a much better venue overall than Chicago.
Hopefully it leads to better development of Brazil which will have a
positive impact
on the lives of people within poverty stricken regions of that country.
~~~
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:58 PM, denstar wrote:
> I like that attitude: "we may be in debt, but it's worth it".
No - actually more like we aren't in debt at all. As I said in my
email I wasn't aware of any debt, and I investigated a little further
and it looks like there isn't any debt. The ga
"Probably because things are generally run by people more concerned with
prestige than reality."
True.
And probably the short term benefits (who gets to build the Olympic village,
etc, etc.)
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>> After reading about the long-term debt host cities are stuck with, I don't
>> know why anyone would want it.
>
> I can say from personal experience that it brought alot of great
> th
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
> After reading about the long-term debt host cities are stuck with, I don't
> know why anyone would want it.
I can say from personal experience that it brought alot of great
things to Atlanta in 1996. There may be a debt issue that I am
bliss
Probably because things are generally run by people more concerned
with prestige than reality.
But that's probably just my bitterness talking. And Rand. :)p
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:
After reading about the long-term debt host cities are stuck with, I don't
know why anyone would want it.
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did anyone outside chicago seriously think they were going to get picked?
the tv reporters on chicago news were in disbelief, but i don't know why.
south america has never hosted the games and rio had a strong bid.
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