Obama is going to sign this bill, by the way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/opinion/politics-over-principle.html?_r=2&src=tp&smid=fb-share
"Nearly every top American official with knowledge and experience spoke out
against the provisions, including the attorney general, the defense
secretary
That is so comforting...
-Original Message-
From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:59 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
&
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> In further developments, the White House apparently suggests that the
> President's ability to declare US citizens to be enemy combatants could
> circumvent the 'no US citizens in indefinite detention' restriction, though
> the White House
..@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Look at 1031...
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:32 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: fema camps and
: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:32 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
>
>
> http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf
>
> The appropriate section is here:
>
> p426-432
> Sec 1031-1032
>
> In
Look at 1031...
-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:32 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf
The appropriate
9:23 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
I found these short points about the Bill. It seems that it has changed a
bit:
* The bill no longer authorizes the indefinite military detention of
Americans captured in the US.
* The bill does mandate military
s and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
The Senate vote was along party lines with Democrats voting Yes and
Republicans voting No, so this isn't a Republican thing. More likely it's a
'guys in power' thing. FDR suspended habeus corpus and interned thousands of
innocent Japanese-Americ
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Maureen wrote:
> Yes. I have a good friend whose sister is a paranoid schizophrenic.
> She lines her hats and windows with aluminum foil. Uses it by the
> yard. Pitiful, really, because at one time she was a beautiful,
> gifted woman.
>
Right... Like why is
Yes. I have a good friend whose sister is a paranoid schizophrenic.
She lines her hats and windows with aluminum foil. Uses it by the
yard. Pitiful, really, because at one time she was a beautiful,
gifted woman.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> lol. i wonder if there ar
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf
The appropriate section is here:
p426-432
Sec 1031-1032
In section 1032, p 430, the language reads:
1032.b (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.The requirement to detain a person in
military custody under this section does not exten
Hmmm. Depends which country and if they set me up in a nice apartment close
to an open air market and a few pubs with wifi ...
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM, PT wrote:
> "You have won an all expenses paid trip overseas, courtesy of the U.S.
> government!"
>
* no more citizen detentions in the US *
"You have won an all expenses paid trip overseas, courtesy of the U.S.
government!"
3 weeks later...
"Has anyone heard from John?"
=-p
-
"Because I can lie beautiful true things into existence ..."
Neil Gaiman on Why I write.
On 12/12/2011 10:30
No more citizen detentions makes it much more likely to pass muster in the
courts.
On Dec 12, 2011 3:23 PM, "Vivec" wrote:
>
> I found these short points about the Bill. It seems that it has changed a
> bit:
>
> * The bill no longer authorizes the indefinite military detention of
> Americans ca
The Senate vote was along party lines with Democrats voting Yes and
Republicans voting No, so this isn't a Republican thing. More likely it's a
'guys in power' thing. FDR suspended habeus corpus and interned thousands
of innocent Japanese-Americans for years during WWII. Lincoln suspended
habeus c
I found these short points about the Bill. It seems that it has changed a
bit:
* The bill no longer authorizes the indefinite military detention of
Americans captured in the US.
* The bill does mandate military detention for non-citizens.
* The bill affirms the 2001 Authorization to Use Militar
>
> More like the GOP and Dems are really kinda all the same, when it
> comes down to it.
>
You hear that? That was the sound of Sam and Larry's brains exploding. ;)
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On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> > You think Obama is tacitly allowing the GOP to have it's way and by
> > extension Corporate interests?
> >
>
> More like the GOP and Dems are really kinda all the same, when it comes
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Vivec wrote:
> You think Obama is tacitly allowing the GOP to have it's way and by
> extension Corporate interests?
>
More like the GOP and Dems are really kinda all the same, when it comes
down to it.
Obama is too.
-Cameron
...
Lets try this. How about Robert post a link or two showing what he's
talking about, especially a government link. Then Larry can show how
what the links show are either true, misread, or totally false.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Rember not to forget your tinfoil
You think Obama is tacitly allowing the GOP to have it's way and by
extension Corporate interests?
By just saying, Well...We tried and the GOP blocked it...or the GOP House
decided to pass this Bill is he just absolving himself of responsibility,
yet not actually doing anything firm to hold to hi
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:59 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
whoops that's an old Bush proposal. (they're starting to blend, aren't
they). This is the current one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/dec
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Dana wrote:
> whoops that's an old Bush proposal. (they're starting to blend, aren't
> they). This is the current one:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/dec/09/us-military-detain-citizens-without-trial
> and it looks like it's still pendin
whoops that's an old Bush proposal. (they're starting to blend, aren't
they). This is the current one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/dec/09/us-military-detain-citizens-without-trial
and it looks like it's still pending. I thought I heard on the news
that it had passed, bu
Pretty much...
-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:33 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
http://progressivetoo.com/2011/11/30/which-senators-voted-to-indefinitely-ho
ld-us-citizens
Regardless of the reason...it is a failure to value liberty.
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:05 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
I agree that the bill is scary. On its
http://progressivetoo.com/2011/11/30/which-senators-voted-to-indefinitely-hold-us-citizens-without-trial/
Never again will the power base of the financial sector be threatened by
Protest. The US is NOT Egypt or Libya dammit. Protests and societal changes
are for those people, not the US.
;-)
On
There is a collective understanding that arrogating power unto themselves
ensures their control over society.
I thought that would be obvious by now. :-)
On 11 December 2011 12:05, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Maybe it's a collective failure to value liberty.
>
> Or maybe they have some information
I agree that the bill is scary. On its face, the concept is simply ridiculous
in a free society with a core value of liberty.
However what's scarier is that there's some reason all of these congress people
voted for it.
Maybe it's a collective failure to value liberty.
Or maybe they have s
>
> I mean, you could be picked up for having more than 7 days of food and
> weatherized bullets.
>
Really? Doesn't just about every family have more than 7 days of food on
hand?
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On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> lol. i wonder if there are actually people sitting around with tin foil on
> their heads right now.
>
Only those who don't want their minds read. Which is their loss as it also
hinders their astral projection abilities.
The bill is scarey
frankly Dana you opinion does not matter to me.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> I'm finding your smug certitudes more than usually annoying. Just to
> be clear, here's what *I* think we're talking about. I don't think you
> have to be paranoid to find it scary. Not sure what *yo
I'm finding your smug certitudes more than usually annoying. Just to
be clear, here's what *I* think we're talking about. I don't think you
have to be paranoid to find it scary. Not sure what *you* think we're
talking about.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6167856
On Sat, De
lol. i wonder if there are actually people sitting around with tin foil on
their heads right now.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Rember not to forget your tinfoil hats when the black helicopters come to
> get you.
>
>
vernment.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 10:07 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: fema camps and habeus corpus/posse comitatus
Rember not to forget your tinfoil hats when the black helicopters come to
get you.
On Saturd
Rember not to forget your tinfoil hats when the black helicopters come to
get you.
On Saturday, December 10, 2011, Dana wrote:
>
> they PASSED that law? OMG. Maybe Obama will veto it. I don't think
> he's said anything on the subject personally, but his administration
> said it did more harm tha
personally, i believe in the poison pill technique of self-defense. gather
dirt on your opponents, and if they move against you, it all comes out.
somewhat of a MAD strategy since inevitably anything damaging that they
have collected against you will come out as well, but if you value liberty
over
they PASSED that law? OMG. Maybe Obama will veto it. I don't think
he's said anything on the subject personally, but his administration
said it did more harm than good. On the other hand, it's an election
year. Sigh.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> FEMA camps have been a
FEMA camps have been activated and the Senate has made it possible for the
military to detain Americans indefinitely without trial. So who is going to
end up in those camps and why, and who decides how those people will be
treated, when they can have access to lawyers and family members, and what
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