At 10:55 AM 1/28/2005, you wrote:
>Well, from my experience
>fixing other people's code is frustating, most of the time :)
>Bad variable name, bad technique, not to mention the indentation or
>comment, duh!
Unfortunately, as long as the application works, that's all that really
matters to managem
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:30:03 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The response? A request to tutor the outsource programmer to bring them up to
> par.
I see this as a classic case of "you get what you pay for". If you
want to be able to pay wages that are equivilant to a first mo
That's only half of the problem. But I think you do understand the
level of garbage that was involved. By moving the site to MX and using
a lot of CFC's we ended up reducing the code by about 3/4's or more.
larry
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:26:01 -0500, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If t
If that is your idea of bad code (not separating presentation from logic) you
have been blessed, my friend.
I inherited a perl program that was 72,000 lines long. It is now 2200 lines and
still way too big.
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/05 03:33P
Aaron has done some subcontracting work for DotComIt (me), so just for
the record, he can hold his own.
At 04:25 PM 1/28/2005, you wrote:
> Not that I am a self proclaimed CF guru
--
Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer
AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
very difficult to discern whether a potential vender is high-quality...
>
> Levi Wallach
>
> Blog: twelveblackcodemonkeys.com
> DVD Review Site: dvdmon.com
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>
> From: Aaron Rouse
> Sent: Fri 1/2
I did find a couple of wugga-wuggas though.
I'm just biased I guess, I like clean code with presentation separate
from logic and data access. But that just be me.
larry
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:30:20 -0700, Nathan Strutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You should feel free that the entire site doesn
You should feel free that the entire site doesn't axis on a variable
called "Moo", or ask if "ZingoBangoBingoBongo" is defined.
I know all about it...
-nathan strutz
http://www.dopefly.com/
Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> I'd give you some samples but the powers that be probably think that
> its propr
I'd give you some samples but the powers that be probably think that
its proprietary information. There's cf queries in the middle of
tables, etc. On one page there are 6 or 7 database queries that are
exactly the same. Nothing is scoped, and variables are set anywhere.
Presentation, business logi
I think you probably misjudge the incompetence of many. :-)
At 02:37 PM 1/28/2005, you wrote:
>That's been the main part of my current project for the last 5 months.
>All I can figure is that the person who originally coded this site
>wanted job security.
>
>larry
>
>
>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:24
gmug.com/Photos%20by%20Levi
From: Aaron Rouse
Sent: Fri 1/28/05 2:23 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Indian code
Interesting subject, because of something that happened just recently
here. Not really outsourcing though, about 8 months ago I applied for
a full time job out here where I have been
That's been the main part of my current project for the last 5 months.
All I can figure is that the person who originally coded this site
wanted job security.
larry
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:24:43 -0600, Aaron Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sadly, it is one of mine too, not one I always enjoy d
Sadly, it is one of mine too, not one I always enjoy doing.
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:18:22 -0400, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's one of my specialties. :)
>
> >Well, from my experience
> >fixing other people's code is frustating, most of the time :)
> >Bad variable name, bad tec
Interesting subject, because of something that happened just recently
here. Not really outsourcing though, about 8 months ago I applied for
a full time job out here where I have been doing contract work for the
past 4 years. After all the interviews I was made an offer, a
ridiculously low offer f
If I had a business manager, then maybe. As is, I charge the same as my
standard rate. I should be charging more, but
> Not to mention the fact that you make twice as much training as
> coding. Right Mike.
> ;)
> larry
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:09:23 -0400, Michael Dinowitz
> <[EMAIL PRO
It's one of my specialties. :)
>Well, from my experience
>fixing other people's code is frustating, most of the time :)
>Bad variable name, bad technique, not to mention the indentation or
>comment, duh!
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Not to mention the fact that you make twice as much training as
coding. Right Mike.
;)
larry
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:09:23 -0400, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Positive of course. A job is a job, a CF programmer is a CF programmer and
> the advancement of CF is the advancement of
Positive of course. A job is a job, a CF programmer is a CF programmer and the
advancement of CF is the advancement of CF.
>What was your response to his request?
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Actually, I am a trainer and I've trained my competition all the time. As for
my response on outsourced code, you can hear it here:
http://houseoffusion.com/articles/raw/
These are my raw, pre-article thoughts and if you like them, please transcribe
one for me. :)
>I hope you told him that you'r
short order)?
Levi Wallach
Blog: twelveblackcodemonkeys.com
DVD Review Site: dvdmon.com
Pictures at: http://wallachexpressions.smugmug.com/Photos%20by%20Levi
From: Rizal Firmansyah
Sent: Fri 1/28/05 1:55 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Re: Indian code
Well, from my experience
fixing ot
appy (hopefully).
Some of them have been outsourcing their development projects for almost 6
years now.
Of course, my rate is comparable to US rate though, not Indian :(
Anyway, I think It's not the outsource or the 'Indian code' as stated in
the subject that matters :)
Instead it
What was your response to his request?
Dan
=== Previous Message Below ===
-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:30 PM
To: CF-Jobs-Talk
Subject: Indian code
OK, I was just asked to find a
hmmm ... guess you have never seen the CF code from some of the people
at my work ... sadly I a not joking.
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:30:03 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know the type, pound signs everywhere, lots of CFIFs, etc.
--
Aaron Rouse
http://www.happyhacker.com
By many reports, the Indian's do programming better than us Americans.
However, I've also heard just as many reports that mirror your experience.
I don't have any personal experience to draw upon. I think long-term
some types of projects will come back, and some will fit well to
off-shori
hotos%20by%20Levi
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:30 PM
> To: CF-Jobs-Talk
> Subject: Indian code
>
> OK, I was just asked to find a bug on a live site and fix it.
> The site was written by
OK, I was just asked to find a bug on a live site and fix it. The site was
written by an outsource indian and he was not available. I went into the site,
looked over the code and found the problem in no time. While looking, I
mentioned to the client that the code looked like it was done by a fir
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