Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name proposal for total ozone in DU

2012-12-06 Thread Christophe Lerot
Hi Alison and Roy, I think that the solution you proposed is suitable to the O3 community. Having the canonical unit (mol/m-2) for the O3 columns in the vocabulary server is fine as long as it is not a problem to use a different unit (Dobson Unit) in the NetCDF files. The important point is

Re: [CF-metadata] inclusion of GridSpec in CF?

2012-12-06 Thread Cecelia DeLuca
Hi Alex, Our current GridSpec input file implementation is minimal at best, because we just did a single tile and anything distinctly GridSpeccian comes in with multiple tiles. It's as much intention as implementation at this point. Still, we have had to worry about multiple GridSpec

Re: [CF-metadata] FW: Standard_name for cloud-cover by phenomenon

2012-12-06 Thread Cameron-smith, Philip
Hi Alison, This is now fine with me. Thank you for being so thorough :-). Philip --- Dr Philip Cameron-Smith, p...@llnl.gov, Lawrence Livermore National Lab.

Re: [CF-metadata] [netcdf-java] problem with times in PSD dataset

2012-12-06 Thread John Caron
Hi Cecelia: Thanks for this information. A few questions: * So you are not supporting standard Gregorian calendar even though thats the CF default? * Do modelers need to match historical dates? If so, what calendar do they use? * Is the time library suitable to be released seperate from

Re: [CF-metadata] [netcdf-java] problem with times in PSD dataset

2012-12-06 Thread Cecelia DeLuca
Hi John and all, Thanks for this information. A few questions: * So you are not supporting standard Gregorian calendar even though thats the CF default? Correct, the climate modelers that we work with don't use it. AFAIK the decision of CESM was to reject the CF default as unreasonable for

[CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-06 Thread John Caron
Hi Steve, Cecelia: I agree we should move to a better default calendar, probably proleptic_gregorian. We are stuck with mixed Gregorian for previous CF versions. I think we just need a proposal that says As of version X, the default calender is proleptic_gregorian. You should explicitly add

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Hankin
On 12/6/2012 1:37 PM, John Caron wrote: Hi Steve, Cecelia: I agree we should move to a better default calendar, probably proleptic_gregorian. We are stuck with mixed Gregorian for previous CF versions. I think we just need a proposal that says As of version X, the default calender is

Re: [CF-metadata] [netcdf-java] problem with times in PSD dataset

2012-12-06 Thread Cathy Smith (NOAA Affiliate)
John There is some meteorological data that is available pre-Gregorian calendar (paleo data, some temperature datasets) and of course there are other scientific fields where data is pre-1500 (e.g. astronomy, archeology) . Given that netCDF files with data dates spanning ~1550 probably already

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name proposal for total ozone in DU

2012-12-06 Thread Cameron-smith, Philip
Hi All, After considerable thought, I do support addition of this std_name, but recommend that we add a comment to the description (as described below). The problem is that atmosphere_mole_content_of_ozone (proposed, units = moles/m2, typically expressed in DU) and

Re: [CF-metadata] [netcdf-java] problem with times in PSD dataset

2012-12-06 Thread John Caron
Hi Cathy: There no question that CF currently defaults to mixed gregorian calendar. The discussion is whether thats the best choice (probably not), and to advise users not to cross the discontinuity (eg store modern dates starting from 1-1-1). Im curious as to how you generate the dates

Re: [CF-metadata] [netcdf-java] problem with times in PSD dataset

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Hankin
On 12/6/2012 4:09 PM, John Caron wrote: Hi Cathy: There no question that CF currently defaults to mixed gregorian calendar. The discussion is whether thats the best choice (probably not), and to advise users not to cross the discontinuity (eg store modern dates starting from 1-1-1). Im

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-06 Thread Dave Allured - NOAA Affiliate
All, I agree that the current calendar definitions and usage have a lot of problems. Following are some proposals that are geared towards both accuracy and backward compatibility. 1. Please, NO default calendar. Starting with the next CF version, the calendar attribute should be required on

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name proposal for total ozone in DU

2012-12-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, I would also like to support this proposal. And I thank Philip for his careful thinking. If these were the only aspects to consider then I would be against the new std_name. However, there are many more species than ozone, and ozone is the only one that I see expressed as