Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601 [John Graybeal et al.]

2013-03-20 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, interesting discussion. From the point of view of an outsider (not dealing with ocean data ;-) there are two issues which still aren't entirely clear to me: 1) as Steve Hankin wrote, this variable has a potential to deflect from the actual physical quantity, which is expressed

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread Decker, Michael
Dear all, after reading through the unusally vivid discussion on this issue, I feel like I have to make a statement as well. My background being the experience with not-so-CF-compliant CF-netCDF datasets submitted to us by several different groups and the resulting development of a CFchecker to

[CF-metadata] implication of allowing longitude coordinate variable using scale_factor/add_offset

2013-03-20 Thread rho...@excaliburlabs.com
Folks: Last year we (GOES-R Ground System) proposed a change that would allow coordinate variables to use scale_factor and add_offset (see trac item #86 with title Allow coordinate variables to be scaled integers). We will be producing one type of product on a lat/lon grid and would like to

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread John Caron
Hi all: Another thing to consider is the relationship to the current udunit/CF standard for specifying dates in the unit string period SINCE date The udunits documentation http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/udunits/udunits-2/udunits2lib.html#Grammar not being very clear, I wrote up my

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread Jim Biard - NOAA Affiliate
Hi. I'm opposed to the addition of a standard name. Standard names are intended to identify classes, or types of things. As I look at it, the goal is to keep implementation details out of standard names. ISO8601 is an implementation, so I think it has no place in the standard name vocabulary.

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread David Hassell
Hello, My beer/coffee/perocet levels are too low to want to comment broadly on this, so I'll just make one comment ... Really the main advantage is that data writers are less likely to make a mistake specifying 1952-08-15T00:00:00Z than 2434567 days since -4713-01-01T00:00:00Z. I'm

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread John Caron
On 3/20/2013 9:41 AM, David Hassell wrote: Hello, My beer/coffee/perocet levels are too low to want to comment broadly on this, so I'll just make one comment ... Really the main advantage is that data writers are less likely to make a mistake specifying 1952-08-15T00:00:00Z than 2434567

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread Michael Decker
On 03/20/2013 04:51 PM, John Caron wrote: I guess the point is that its not always fair to assume that, and the user wont know when it fails, esp for '2434567 days since -4713-01-01T00:00:00Z' unless she also computes '1952-08-15T00:00:00Z' which presumably she could do as a double

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread Dave Allured - NOAA Affiliate
Correction, I said this yesterday: If leap seconds are excluded, then the correct [value of the CF calendar attribute] should be proleptic_gregorian. In the most common cases where the data is fully within the range of the Gregorian calendar, the calendar attribute should be simply gregorian.

[CF-metadata] how to store satellite groundpixel geometry?

2013-03-20 Thread Andreas Hilboll
I was wondering if it is possible to describe the pixel geometry of satellite measurements in CF. In atmospheric trace gas remote sensing, an individual measurement's location is often described by the center point's lat/lon coordinates plus the four pixel corner points' lat/lon coordinates. One

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-20 Thread Steve Hankin
On 3/20/2013 7:58 AM, John Caron wrote: Hi all: I guess I started this messy discussion, then invited everyone to drink too much and say whatever they wanted. The conversation gets a bit loud and fuzzy. So now we've switched back to caffeine and the sober realities of deciding on grammars

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601 (standard_name or units?)

2013-03-20 Thread Aleksandar Jelenak - NOAA Affiliate
Hello Steve, On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Steve Hankin steven.c.han...@noaa.gov wrote: A question to debate in your trac ticket. Per the CF documentation, the definition of the standard_name is The name used to identify the physical quantity

Re: [CF-metadata] how to store satellite groundpixel geometry?

2013-03-20 Thread Aleksandar Jelenak - NOAA Affiliate
Hello Andreas, On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Andreas Hilboll li...@hilboll.de wrote: I was wondering if it is possible to describe the pixel geometry of satellite measurements in CF. In atmospheric trace gas remote sensing, an individual measurement's location is often described by the