Re: [CF-metadata] scalar coordinates

2013-05-29 Thread Hedley, Mark
Hello Jamie I think I see where you are coming from, thank you for sharing your thoughts. If the relationship between the different coordinates is known and explicitly defined, then an encoding not using scalar coordinates, as you have defined, is a plausible approach. I have not seen the

[CF-metadata] dB decibel units

2013-05-29 Thread Hedley, Mark
Hello CF A few standard names: sound_intensity_level_* sound_pressure_level_* have a stated canonical units of dB. I think valid units in CF are defined by udunits2. My install of udunits (udunits2-2.1.24) does not recognise dB as a valid units string. Is this an issue for the CF standard

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: lifted_index

2013-05-29 Thread Jonathan Wrotny
Hi Seth, Finally getting back to you e-mail after a long weekend... You raise a good point about the two levels used for many of the stability indices. You're right, it would be nice to have this information in the definition for the these data products in case data users/modelers need it.

Re: [CF-metadata] Precise location example

2013-05-29 Thread Steve Hankin
You nailed it, Mike. H.5 is the intended illustration where A9.2.3.2 is referenced. Thanks for pointing out the error. - Steve On 5/28/2013 9:35 PM, Mike McCann wrote: Hi, I'm working on understanding how to properly express nominal and precise locations for timeSeriesProfile data

Re: [CF-metadata] dB decibel units

2013-05-29 Thread Steven Emmerson
Mark, Logarithmic units need a reference level in order to support numerical conversions; dB doesn't have one. A decibel unit with a one milliwatt reference level would be 0.1 lg(re 1 mW). Regards, Steven Emmerson Software Developer Unidata Program Center University Corporation for Atmospheric

Re: [CF-metadata] dB decibel units

2013-05-29 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Steve and Mark In view of the need for a reference level, it's part of the definition of the standard names that have units in decibels. Cheers Jonathan - Forwarded message from Steven Emmerson emmer...@ucar.edu - Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:25:59 -0600 From: Steven Emmerson

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: total_totals_index

2013-05-29 Thread Jonathan Wrotny
Jonathan, I wanted to make a minor addition to the definition of the total totals index to include coordinate variables for the 850 and 500 hPa pressure levels. It seems that this information might be useful to have in a netCDF file, but not be specifically required. Please let me know if

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: total_totals_index

2013-05-29 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Jonathan It would be all right to specify coordinate variables (size one or scalar) for the two levels, but they would have to be distinguishable. That means they'd have to have different standard names, I suppose - what would they be? It seems to me this would then tend towards the

[CF-metadata] new standard name: atmosphere_stability_showalter_index

2013-05-29 Thread Jonathan Wrotny
Dear CF board: I would like to propose the following standard name: atmosphere_stability_showalter_index with the associated definition: The atmosphere_stability_showalter_index is an index used to determine convective and thunderstorm potential and is often referred to as simply the

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: total_totals_index

2013-05-29 Thread Seth McGinnis
Hi Jonathan, I suggested two such standard_names in an email on Friday, because I need them for various CAPE/CIN/etc standard_names: air_pressure_of_lifted_parcel_at_start air_pressure_of_lifted_parcel_at_finish These would have the following definitions: Various stability and convective

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: lifted_index

2013-05-29 Thread Seth McGinnis
Hi Jonathan, Looks good to me! I'm happy that it's useful for your case as well as the ones I'm proposing. Philip has suggested we switch from _at_origin to _at_start for the standard_names, arguing that it's less ambiguous. Any thoughts on that? Cheers, --Seth On Wed, 29 May 2013

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: total_totals_index

2013-05-29 Thread Jonathan Wrotny
Dear Seth, Yes, I remember your new standard names. In fact, I just updated the definition of the lifted index to include these two names. However, the total totals index (and others, such as the showalter index) are somewhat different beasts than the lifted index in that they really do not

[CF-metadata] CF-1.6 DSG clarification: time series lat/lon coordinates

2013-05-29 Thread John Maurer
Hi all, We ran into a glitch after converting one of our buoys to the new CF-1.6 discrete sampling geometries (DSG) format, and I'm looking for advice. This dataset uses the single time series format, like the one provided in the template of the CF document in Example H.4:

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: total_totals_index

2013-05-29 Thread Seth McGinnis
Jonathan W-- Whoops, two Jonathans in the thread -- I should have included a last name. Sorry for the confusion! My reply was to Jonathan Gregory's question about indicating the start/end pressures.  If the total totals and showalter indices are always calculated for the same pressure heights,

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name: lifted_index

2013-05-29 Thread Jonathan Wrotny
Hi Seth, Great, thanks again for the suggestions! Also, see another e-mail thread for the total totals index that I just responded to. I tried to give my thought process on including (or not including) the _at_start and _at_finish standard names for the various stability indices that I

Re: [CF-metadata] CF-1.6 DSG clarification: time series lat/lon coordinates

2013-05-29 Thread John Caron
Hi John: 1) The coordinates attribute is not new to DSG, it has been around since the beginning of CF. This defines the auxiliary coordinate variables, that is, coordinate variables that do not follow lat(lat) template. I think it would be good if Grads et al could be upgraded to use them.