[CF-metadata] atmosphere stability indices

2013-06-04 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear all I chose a new subject because these threads about lifted_index, total_totals_ index and Seth's new standard names for CIN etc. are closely related. I agree with the suggestion from Philip to include _from_the_surface on names referring to surface parcels (it was previously clarified

[CF-metadata] new standard name: atmosphere_stability_k_index

2013-06-04 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Jonathan This appears to be a very ad-hoc quantity, and I agree it would not make sense to try to devise a general physical name for it. Adding atmosphere_stability, as with the total totals index, provides useful information on what sort of quantity is it, taking a step towards making it

Re: [CF-metadata] Precise location example

2013-06-04 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Mike You nailed it, Mike. H.5 is the intended illustration where A9.2.3.2 is referenced. Thanks for pointing out the error. - Steve Thanks for spotting this, Mike. Please could you open a defect trac ticket to have it corrected? Cheers Jonathan

Re: [CF-metadata] CF-1.6 DSG clarification: time series lat/lon coordinates

2013-06-04 Thread John Caron
Hi Jonathan: On 6/4/2013 4:17 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote: Dear John Caron and John Maurer I agree with John C that the problem arises when the coordinate variables are not size one. John M's example float lon(lon) ; float lat(lat) ; float alt(alt) ; float

Re: [CF-metadata] CF-1.6 DSG clarification: time series lat/lon coordinates

2013-06-04 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear John C I think the two questions are linked actually. There is nothing wrong with the size-1 dimensions in general, I would say. You could see it as a single point extracted from a larger gridded field (time,atl,lat,lon) in which all the dimensions were originally greater than one. It's

Re: [CF-metadata] atmosphere stability indices

2013-06-04 Thread Jonathan Wrotny
Dear Jonathan Gregory, Thanks for creating the new thread I see your point on how start and finish could imply a trajectory and that we should avoid this. I like the word source instead of start. Ambient doesn't imply any height, in and of itself. But, since it is used in the standard

Re: [CF-metadata] atmosphere stability indices

2013-06-04 Thread John Graybeal
Another option is to use the term sink instead of ambient, which would be more parallel to source and attribute less semantic knowledge about the destination location. Then air_pressure_of_lifted_parcel_at_sink would be a good analog. ('Destination' is another option too.) On Jun 4, 2013, at

Re: [CF-metadata] atmosphere stability indices

2013-06-04 Thread Seth McGinnis
Hi Jonathan (G), I had thought we needed the finish level for CAPE and CIN, but after consulting with a colleague, I realize we actually don't need it. For the CAPE CIN calculations, you integrate until the parcel hits equilibrium. I am assured that it will suffice just to mention that in the

Re: [CF-metadata] CF-1.6 DSG clarification: time series lat/lon coordinates

2013-06-04 Thread John Caron
Hi Jonathan: If we use the time series featureType as example (from http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-conventions/1.6/cf-conventions.html#idp8307552) AFAIU, the orthogonal multidimensional representation would be: float humidity(station,time) not float humidity(lat, lon, time)