Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Dave Allured - NOAA Affiliate
Here is a credible appeal to avoid the terms Julian Date and Julian Day in any scientific usage, to mean Day of Year. Citing document MODIFIED JULIAN DATE, M. R. Winkler, formerly with U.S. Naval Observatory: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/mjd.html """ The MJD (and even more so the JD) has to be

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread John Helly
No worries. Not taken that way. I'm all in favor of precision. J. On 3/16/17 9:56 AM, Jim Biard wrote: John, CF is all about precise, scientific, definitions. In precise terms, 'Julian Day modulo the year' is different than 'Julian Day'. I wasn't meaning to impugn your knowledge or ability

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Roy Mendelssohn - NOAA Federal
Julian day is used in several different ways, as John says: https://landweb.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/browse/calendar.html -Roy > On Mar 16, 2017, at 12:49 PM, John Helly wrote: > > In language, definitions are based on usage. Julian date, modulo the year, is > a convention that I have been usi

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Jim Biard
John, CF is all about precise, scientific, definitions. In precise terms, 'Julian Day modulo the year' is different than 'Julian Day'. I wasn't meaning to impugn your knowledge or ability. Grace and peace, Jim On 3/16/17 3:49 PM, John Helly wrote: In language, definitions are based on us

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread John Helly
In language, definitions are based on usage. Julian date, modulo the year, is a convention that I have been using for decades to do what you are talking about but I defer to wiser minds. J. On 3/16/17 9:42 AM, Jim Biard wrote: John, As best as I understand it, Julian day is a term that is

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Jim Biard
John, As best as I understand it, Julian day is a term that is grossly misused. Julian Day is defined as the elapsed days since January 1, 4713 BCE. Lots of people use the term to refer to day-in-year, but this doesn't seem to be a proper usage. Grace and peace, Jim On 3/16/17 3:36 PM, Jo

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread John Helly
Sorry to jump in here but isn't this just the Julian day? J. On 3/16/17 8:24 AM, Nan Galbraith wrote: I agree that there's a lot of interest, and I have 2 questions. To make the data most useful, shouldn't the time coordinate variable be Jan 1, and shouldn't the 'days since' (data) variable r

Re: [CF-metadata] Geometries in NetCDF Update

2017-03-16 Thread David Blodgett
Dear Jonathan, Thank you for looking things over. Makes sense that we would add a new ‘geometry’ attribute that would point at the geometry container variable and be in both the node coordinates and the data variables. Yes, the 0 or 1 is meant to be inside or outside. We thought that would be

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Jim Biard
Nan, In my case, I am using my first and last freeze date values to calculate growing season lengths. When all the values are on a consistent time base, I can do simple subtraction to get the season length (first freeze date - last freeze date). The ease of use for time since epoch vs time si

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Nan Galbraith
I agree that there's a lot of interest, and I have 2 questions. To make the data most useful, shouldn't the time coordinate variable be Jan 1, and shouldn't the 'days since' (data) variable represent the yearday within that year? My specific concerns with Jim's approach: first_freeze_date:units

[CF-metadata] Geometries in NetCDF Update

2017-03-16 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Dave Thanks for this > https://github.com/twhiteaker/netCDF-CF-simple-geometry/blob/master/README.md I think your explanation of what is needed and why is very clear, and I like the present form of the proposal. You asked me what I'd expect the bounds attribute to point to. This is my only r

Re: [CF-metadata] Wave periods sub-proposal

2017-03-16 Thread alison.pamment
Dear Stephane, Thanks for getting back to me. I agree it would be useful if Elodie can review the names. As these are the only ones currently marked as 'Accepted' I will postpone the update for a few days. (This will also give me time to queue up some more names for publication). Best wishes,

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Jon et al. >Is cell_methods necessary in this case >(for the time axis bounds) – probably not since this isn’t a >statistical quantity like an average, but a value that’s >“representative” of the year. It's always recommended to include cell_methods, because the default depen

Re: [CF-metadata] dimension missing in examples on cfconventions.org

2017-03-16 Thread Hedley, Mark
Hello Hella this is just the place to raise this kind of issue, thank you for bringing it to us I have checked the latest builds of the conventions document and these omissions are still in place http://cfconventions.org/cf-conventions/cf-conventions.html#_contiguous_ragged_array_representation

[CF-metadata] New standard names for nitrogen deposition and corrections

2017-03-16 Thread Daniel Neumann
Dear CF-Meta Mailinglist, As mentioned in the previous e-mail I would like to propose further nitrogen-related standard names and two corrections. The full definitions are attached in the end of this e-mail and as csv file. In the last CF standard name update the two names tendency_of_

[CF-metadata] New standard names for atmospheric particulate sea salt and corrections

2017-03-16 Thread Daniel Neumann
Dear CF-Meta Mailinglist, I would like to propose new sea salt related standard names (section C) and modifications/corrections of variable names and descriptions (sections A and B) of existing sea salt standard names. I have propositions for further nitrogen-related standard names, which I wi

Re: [CF-metadata] Recording "day of year on which something happens"

2017-03-16 Thread Antonio S . Cofiño
Dear all, There is no standard_name for the concept but there are 2 different ones which delimit the approach that it could be used as templates for the new one: *time_when_flood_water_falls_below_threshold *(time_when_flood_water_rises_above_threshold and time_of_maximum_flood_depth are also