Re: [CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude?

2014-09-19 Thread Jonathan Gregory
From: John Caron ca...@ucar.edu To: Signell, Richard rsign...@usgs.gov CC: CF Metadata List cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu, John Graybeal john.grayb...@marinexplore.com Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude? As I recall, the original proposal

[CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude?

2014-09-18 Thread Signell, Richard
In the CF-1.6 and CF-1.7 draft doc, in section H.2, we have: It is recommended that there should be station variables with standard_name attributes platform_name , surface_altitude and “ platform_id ” when applicable. Why is this surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude? In the ocean,

Re: [CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude?

2014-09-18 Thread John Graybeal
Interesting that there is so little discussion of this language in the mail list, only in John Caron's 2011.09.16 mail on standard names for stations (which refers to words already in draft 1.6, I think) -- which came at the tail end of a long thread on platform names/IDs. From those words, I

Re: [CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude?

2014-09-18 Thread Signell, Richard
Maybe a simpler approach would be to just adopt platform_altitude as an alias for surface_altitude and suggest deprecating the use of surface_altitude? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:15 AM, John Graybeal john.grayb...@marinexplore.com wrote: Interesting that there is so little discussion of this

Re: [CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude?

2014-09-18 Thread John Graybeal
I assume surface_altitude is an important variable for providing the vertical location of measurements relative to a surface (as opposed to relative to a geoid -- notwithstanding the definition issue). John On Sep 18, 2014, at 08:30, Signell, Richard rsign...@usgs.gov wrote: Maybe a simpler

Re: [CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude?

2014-09-18 Thread Signell, Richard
John, So then the surface needs to be defined relative to some known datum, no? Maybe we need platform_altitude_above_datum and a specification of the vertical datum (EPSG:5701 (MSL), EPSG:5703 (NAVD88), etc) On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:47 PM, John Graybeal john.grayb...@marinexplore.com wrote:

Re: [CF-metadata] Why surface_altitude instead of platform_altitude?

2014-09-18 Thread John Caron
As I recall, the original proposal was for station_altitude. We decided to change station to platform. At the same time it was thought that the existing standard name of surface altitude would be synonymous. I at least was thinking of ground stations. So I think we make a mistake there and