Plus the ones you give good deals to or give them slack are the ones who you
are constantly chasing for payments or whatever. I have a client right now that
i gave 75% off price and a year and a half to pay and then they came back and
tried to not pay and have been bad mouthing me to everyone
AMEN! I gave up on my computer hardware side-business after dealing
with just one of these. I should have simply refused to sell them the
system rather than deal with all the problems that this person kept
causing.
On 12/30/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A few years ago I ran a
Hi Tim.
Do the terminals allow cookies to be set? If not you will need to pass the
CFID and CFTOKEN on the URLs.
Andrew.
On 12/30/05, Tim Do [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
We have a training room that has 14 dummy terminals using different
terminal services accounts to access the
So I work out the number of hours I think it's going to take, add a big
margin for error, then add another margin for error.
Though I typically bid per project, I spend a lot of time figuring out
exactly how many hours it's going to take me to complete something, and
I've gotten to the point
The problem is for the small guy to get those good clients because
when you need business you will do about anything to get it, which
leads to trouble and you end up with clients who are the buy here -
pay here (aka bad credit car buyers) types of customers.
AMEN BROTHER! Right on!
:)
I have a large block of cfscript that I now have to add a stored procedure call
into the middle of. I normally use cfstoredproc elsewhere but how do I call a
stored procedure from within cfscript?
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Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function.
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I was sure I read that tags were allowed inside cfscript blocks somewhere,
but it doesn't appear to work.
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From: Andy Mcshane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 December 2005 10:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFSCRIPT Question
I have a large block of cfscript that I now have
how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript?
Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function.
Paul
Now I feel stupid, knew it would be something simple! Thanks.
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Hi,
I'm creating a full text index on two fields in a 800,000 row table. The
population has been in progress for 18 hours now, or so it says in
SQL Server 2000's Catalog Status. Any indication on when this will
conclude? Would I have better luck with Verity? Thanks in advance for
any advice.
I just got an email from a client wondering how much
longer it was going to take to get their site done...clients...
always pushing speed ahead of quality...sacrificing
long-term benefit for short term gain...
ain't that the truth...
This process is of great interest to me. We work at it from month to month
as our business grows and we do project estimates based on hourly ranges. I
wrote a blog about it recently and it has some excellent comments attached
about some other similar methods. I often refer potential customers to
Sounds like you are using cfscript unnecessarily.
-Adam
On 12/30/05, Andy Mcshane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript?
Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function.
Paul
Now I feel stupid, knew it would be something simple! Thanks.
This has been a really interesting thread, in part because I've seen several
messages from list members whose names I did not recognize. Are you all new
members or just lurking most of the time? And do you use CF in your
day-to-day business?
George
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From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: free mail server preferences
Hi Jim,
That's interesting, when did that happen?
I've only sys admined Exchange up to V5.5 which did have SMTP
Only one of the clients I've spoken to in the last couple of years was ok
with hourly rates. Maybe it's the mix of clients I see, but the rest all see
charging by the hour as something of an open cheque.
hehe...an open cheque for the always open project scope seems fair ;-)
Bryan Stevenson
Is it ever actually necessary? :-)
--Ben
Adrocknaphobia wrote:
Sounds like you are using cfscript unnecessarily.
-Adam
On 12/30/05, Andy Mcshane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how do I call a stored procedure from within cfscript?
Wrap it in a cffunction tag and call it as a function.
Paul
This has been a really interesting thread, in part because I've seen several
messages from list members whose names I did not recognize. Are you all new
members or just lurking most of the time? And do you use CF in your
day-to-day business?
George
Well I'm not a lurkerbut I have used
I am so very late on this thread
Very interesting
Mark, great post on the blog I plan to re-read it.
Thx,
Yves
On 12/30/05, Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This process is of great interest to me. We work at it from month to month
as our business grows and we do project
tanks!
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From: Yves Arsenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: A Contractor or Two
I am so very late on this thread
Very interesting
Mark, great post on the blog I plan to re-read it.
Thx,
Yves
I use the Subclipse plugin with CFEclipse to work with my code repository.
Without warning me, my IT manager reassigned the IP address of the SVN
server while I had several files checked out. I was stupid enough to
configure my repository address by IP rather than machine name, so now I
need to
I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in the Application.cfm
file. I am wondering what the logic is behind that thinking.
I make use of the Application.cfm file to display the navigation bar at the top
of my pages (image maps, etc.)
I have been doing this for years without a
On 12/29/05, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Only one of the clients I've spoken to in the last couple of years was ok
with hourly rates. Maybe it's the mix of clients I see, but the rest all see
charging by the hour as something of an open cheque. ...
They want to have a cap on what they
If it works, stick with it.
Ade
-Original Message-
From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 December 2005 16:30
To: CF-Talk
Subject: HTML In Application.cfm
I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in the
Application.cfm file. I am wondering what the logic
I would never use Application.cfm for output. As far as I'm concerned
its strictly for internal-use code. So I wouldn't use raw html OR an
include. I would use the include on my display template. I regard
Application.cfm as part of the processing tier of an app, not the
display tier.
I would
I would never use Application.cfm for output. As far as I'm concerned
its strictly for internal-use code. So I wouldn't use raw html OR an
include. I would use the include on my display template. I regard
Application.cfm as part of the processing tier of an app, not the
display tier.
I
That isn't really an answer however. You are saying not to do it, but why
not? Is it personal preference or is there a specific reason why this is to
be avoided.
I use it myself as well when I need something at the top of every page (and
to check security to make sure you can view that page as
But what is your rationale for the opinion that it should not be done?
It seems to me that placing a CFINCLUDE referencing a navigation bar at the top
of each and every one of my 2400 cfm pages in my intranet app is more
bass-ackwards than merely placing the code in question in the
We are really feeling the need to get some wireframing going on our
projects. I did some preliminary searches and found different CF based
ones.
Any recommendations out there? And any specific reading/training
recommendations to help get some less-experienced team members on how to
properly
This thread has been invaluable as we have been struggling with
estimating, etc.
We've been using CF since 3.1. So we use it day to day, no doubt.
Eric J. Hoffman
Managing Partner
2081 Industrial Blvd
StillwaterMN55082
mail: [EMAIL
Application.cfm is a file that runs on every cfm page.
Anything you do that should be done on every page can be moved to the
application file.
If you want to keep the display code separate from the logic, use an
include or a tag to display it, but feel free to put it in there.
I see no reason
There is nothing technically wrong with placing html or any other display
layer code in the Application.cfm.
SOME developer believe that you should never mix action / object code with
display code. This is simply personal coding practice rules that many people
live by. They are in no way right
3 guesses...
1). Did you try to change the server address from the Subclipse
servers view? That's probably your best bet. Change it and restart
(just in case), and see if you can check in/out.
2). find the config file that has the ip address of your old SVN
server. These things are usually XML
That isn't really an answer however. You are saying not to do it, but why
not? Is it personal preference or is there a specific reason why this is to
be avoided.
I use it myself as well when I need something at the top of every page (and
to check security to make sure you can view that page
Fusebuilder.net
It's a great product and there are some Flash-based tutorials showing
how to do some of the basics.
--
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The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
#include stdjoke.h
But what is your rationale for the opinion that it should not be done?
It seems to me that placing a CFINCLUDE referencing a navigation bar at the
top of each and every one of my 2400 cfm pages in my intranet app is more
bass-ackwards than merely placing the code in question in the
Thanks for the example Bryan.
In my experience, the situation you describe has, in fact, come up from time to
time.
It has happened so infrequently however that I have gotten away with creating a
directory (usually a subdirectory of the directory containing the calling page)
on my site called
I've just had a thought...
if you don't want the header in the pop-up and you don't want a sub
application, cfcontent reset=true, no more header :OD
Ade
-Original Message-
From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 December 2005 17:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: HTML In
No argument there either. When I started this intranet application close to ten
years ago there were few enough pages to where a site template would have been
akin to putting an elevator in an outhouse. No chance of going back now
Well Tim having 2400 pages that are not run based on a site
I haven't used Subclipse, but in TortoiseSVN you would do the relocate
command. I'm guessing subclipse should have something similar.
-Original Message-
From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SVN/CFEclipse question
I use the
Hey Tim,
Yep...alot does depend on the size/complexity of the app. I've built a lot of
very large and complex apps with wildy different display needs depending on
where the user is at. You hit a point at which the boy this works great
turns
into wow was that a bad way to structure things.
I've just had a thought...
if you don't want the header in the pop-up and you don't want a sub
application, cfcontent reset=true, no more header :OD
Ade
still a workaround...extra processing when it's not needed ;-)
and that was just a simple example...there are many far more complex
a...one of those sites...been there...have the scars to prove it ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Probably not, could be debated that it was on older versions of CF. I
personally am a cfscript nazi, use it a lot more than I really should.
On 12/30/05, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it ever actually necessary? :-)
--Ben
Ah but only when you request the pop-up! :OD
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 December 2005 19:02
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: HTML In Application.cfm
I've just had a thought...
if you don't want the header in the pop-up and you don't
I'd second that. I've been working with Fusebuilder for the past few
months and it's a great product. Every time I think of something that
could be helpful, I let Mike (FB author) know and it turns out that he's
already implemented. It's a very thought-out product and has helped us
greatly
Ah but only when you request the pop-up! :OD
LOL...still extra at time of call ;-) save those milliseconds!!
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
N, milliseconds are people too you know! They need to work!
They have mini-milliseconds (or should that be nanoseconds) to feed!!
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 December 2005 19:21
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: HTML In
I've only been using CF for a little over a year at work and at home. Just
a disclaimer. :)
My response would be that if you have a fairly large application where it is
important to keep your action and content code separate, then it is well
worth the time to learn and deploy Fusebox. With a
I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in
the Application.cfm file. I am wondering what the logic is
behind that thinking.
I make use of the Application.cfm file to display the
navigation bar at the top of my pages (image maps, etc.)
I have been doing this for years
OK, I feel like a moron now!
Thanks for pointing me the right way
George
On 12/29/05, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
I have heard some people advise against the use of HTML in the
Application.cfm file.
Like many Never do or Always do, this is purely a matter of religon ;-)
The only reason for not putting HTML in Application.cfm, is if the code
is not intended to be used
in every page.
I would even say that
Sure he gave you a reason...seperate processing/business logic from
the display tier.
Ok, fine, then why seperate processing/business logic from the display?
This is not a reason, this is just another way to rephrase the question...
Just like Who created the world?... The Creator... ah OK,
Hey, perfect! I have TortoiseSVN as well and was able to use relocate to
commit my latest revisions, then just deleted the CFEclipse project and
created a new one pointing to the proper SVN repository URL.
Thanks!
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday,
if you have a fairly large application where.
But WHY it is important to keep your action and content code separate in
a large application?
Does it make it less large? ;-)
The main reason to keep anything away from the rest is because you are
using it at many places,
so you put it somewhere in
Ok, fine, then why seperate processing/business logic from
the display? This is not a reason, this is just another way
to rephrase the question...
Because it makes your code easier to maintain? Because it lets you change
one without affecting the other? To follow your argument to its logical
Because it makes your code easier to maintain?
This is also the reason one would put HTML in the application.cfm, at
only one place: easier to maintain.
Since the purpose of CF is to produce HTML, I do not see how it can be
easier to maintain
if CF code is separated from HTML ;-/
--
But WHY it is important to keep your action and content code
separate in a large application? Does it make it less large? ;-)
If you were building a house made from brick, you could use lots of
regular-sized bricks, or you could use one gigantic brick. Most people would
find the former a more
This is also the reason one would put HTML in the application.cfm,
at only one place: easier to maintain. Since the purpose of CF is
to produce HTML, I do not see how it can be easier to maintain
if CF code is separated from HTML ;-/
I disagree with your contention that the purpose of CF is
I've been creating a layout cfc lately, then calling showHeader(),
showLeftMenu(), etc..
Seems to work great. Then for content, I built a productdisplay cfc for
instance. listCategories(), listProducts(), etc...
Will
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Amen Dave!!
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
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Because it makes your code easier to maintain?
This is also the reason one would put HTML in the application.cfm, at
only one place: easier to maintain.
Since the purpose of CF is to produce HTML, I do not see how it can be
easier to maintain
if CF code is separated from HTML ;-/
So
Why do we have rooms in our houses dedicated to different things? Why do we
have neat little plastic things to keep our knives, forks, and spoons
separate? It's all organization. No, it doesn't make it less large, but it
does make it feel less large. If I get an error, I will know exactly
Amen Dave part deux!! ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com
Dave, I made your brick quote my last blog of the year (probably). very
succinct :)
-mark
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm
But WHY it is important to keep your
I would think that there would be location issues with HTML in
Application.cfm. Meaning: you would need to fully qualify all of the image
urls in the HTML.
You might be better off setting a header at the server.
Scott A. Stewart
ColdFusion Developer
GNSI
11820 Parklawn Dr
Rockville, MD 20852
for example if you do that then say when u add a text editor the header and
footer will try to squeeze into the textarea and then u gotta go back and
reorganize the whole thing.
for someone like will its no big deal cause you'd only have like 4 pages in the
whole app to change lol
~Dave the
Hey All,
I'm looking into building a process with the following bits:
PDF FORM
-filled in by user
-each form generates a unique barcode or ID and displays on the form
-some of the fields are calculated (based on input in other fields)
-form has send button to package up the form data and send to
No problem... we all had to learn it somewhere down the line ;-)
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Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
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From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re:
On 12/30/05, Tim Claremont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me that placing a CFINCLUDE referencing a navigation bar at the
top of each
and every one of my 2400 cfm pages in my intranet app is more bass-ackwards
than
merely placing the code in question in the Application.cfm.
Yes, that
I would disagree with that...depending on your design model, it is a good
way to include headers instead of having to write an include statement on
every page.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 11:52
To: CF-Talk
BOTH will include the header and only in one placeso why not use
the best
practice and include it via the template and not Application.cfm??
Who said it is the best practice?
If you consider Application.cfm as tool which can (among many other
things) generate a header,
why is it so evil to
I would disagree with that...depending on your design model, it is a good
way to include headers instead of having to write an include statement on
every page.
Eric
and Eric if you use a site template for layout you only incluude the header
oncein the template ;-)
So NOT on every page.
MVC Design says it's best practice... and I'm pretty sure this has
been well accepted as the better approach
On 12/30/05, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BOTH will include the header and only in one placeso why not use
the best
practice and include it via the template and not
One common reason is simplification - it's just easier to work with a
module that does one thing. You immediately know where to go to change how
that one thing works, for example.
Right, and this applies particularily well to putting any header HTML
code in Application.cfm ;-)
For example, a
Amen Dave part deux!
Just as I said, when programing becomes a religion, better start doing
something else ;-)
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the purpose of CF is to build web applications. Web
applications don't just produce HTML
Of course, I was just trying to keep the discussion simple, not exhaustive.
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damn i hope i never have to update your code, lol
personaly, I will get off my lazy ass and type and additional 2 lines to add a
header and footer and the main reason is that when I include a header (via
cfmodule) I can also add a dynamic page title to each page for search engines,
like so :
Have you read my and especially Dave's replies?? ;-)
I think I'm leavin this one as...I'll agree to disagree ;-)
Cheers
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL
Of course, I was just trying to keep the discussion simple,
not exhaustive.
You should make things as simple as possible, but no simpler. How exhaustive
was my response?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber
One common reason is simplification - it's just easier to
work with a module that does one thing. You immediately know
where to go to change how that one thing works, for example.
Right, and this applies particularily well to putting any header HTML
code in Application.cfm ;-)
If you
How is it for systems that are non-fusebox oriented? Seems to output
fusebox...couldn't care if its just for demonstration I guess. :)
Eric J. Hoffman
Managing Partner
2081 Industrial Blvd
StillwaterMN55082
mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www:
Just a small point, but for SEO you would be wise to use fully qualified
links.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 December 2005 21:21
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: HTML In Application.cfm
I would think that there would be location issues with HTML in
Hi Ade,
Obfuscation?
-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 December 2005 16:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Protecting Code
What about obfuscation? Anyone done that, pros, cons?
Ade
Thanks Jeff, but beyond my budget ..
-Original Message-
From: J W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 December 2005 15:29
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Protecting Code
Yeah, the Adobe Coldfusion (That doesn't roll off the tounge right)
encryption is kind of weak. IF Blue Dragon is an option
You know, for presentation it would still work nicely. Plus, Mike's
implementing features so that you can customize the output to look like
your site's design. I used it for the first time w/ a client and she
was really happy to be able to see the site coming together in real-time
- a very
That's what I do...but in this other guy's case, it would make sense to put
in the application.cfm since he would have to re-write all the code on his
site to do that
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 16:15
To:
The fusebox forum isn't that active and I've seen some fusebox posts
here so hopefully someone can give me a little advice...
I'm trying to figure out the best way to design my menu system
Fuseactions. I have a sidebar menu that changes for given main menu nav
items. So, let's say the top
First:
about.abouthome you should have it be just
about.home or better yet, about.index... the about should be implied
by the circuit.
In my design model I would have a action on the about news and
anything else that would change up your navigation.. It would some
how set/return a navigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscated_code
On 12/31/05, Jennifer Gavin-Wear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Ade,
Obfuscation?
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Dustin Tinney wrote:
First:
about.abouthome you should have it be just
about.home or better yet, about.index... the about should be implied
by the circuit.
Yeah, I was going through all my circuits changing them probably at the
same time you were typing it ;)
In my design model I would
If you use Application.cfm to initialize your application pages, and
you use
it to generate output, that's two different things.
Ok, but who said one cannot do two different things in Application.cfm?
May be, but on the other hand, when someone will have to modify
something common to the
that would be one way to do it. Pre-fuseactions would give you that
functionality.
If I was using a pre-fuseaction I wouldn't have it pass back the nav
or print it out. instead I would have it set a variable.. such as
nav_template_file and then in your main template where you would have
your
Ok, but who said one cannot do two different things in
Application.cfm?
You can do as many things as you like. I suspect you could write your entire
application within Application.cfm. However, I don't think that would be a
good idea.
Absolutely not, you said He was able to do it very
I suspect you could write your entire application within
Application.cfm. However, I don't think that would be a
good idea.
You will not make an extreme look any beter just by showing how stupid
is the opposite extreme ;-)
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