On Monday 11 Feb 2008, s. isaac dealey wrote:
> > > OpenID?
> > I don't want (say) my GMail account attached to my bank account.
> I seem to have missed that last message... I've actually implemented
> OpenID, but I definately agree... I would never use OpenID for anything
> non-trivial like a bank
CFFormProtect looks pretty thorough, I have up until now used just one
of the techniques formProtect uses; the hidden form field method rather
then using captcha, seems to do the job for the most part.
Mike.
Billy Cox wrote:
> My primary objection to captcha is that it adds speed bumps to the u
-100 for captcha. I detest it and will never use it myself. I'd rather deal
with a little spam than inflict it on my users. I'm almost routing for the
spammers in this case, if it's no longer effective, there won't be as much
incentive to use it and I won't have to run into it all the time mysel
> On Thursday 07 Feb 2008, Andy Matthews wrote:
> > OpenID?
>
> I don't want (say) my GMail account attached to my bank account.
I seem to have missed that last message... I've actually implemented
OpenID, but I definately agree... I would never use OpenID for anything
non-trivial like a bank acc
+2 on cfformprotect. We are rolling it out right now at work and it works
as advertised.
Rick Mason
On Feb 7, 2008 2:37 PM, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> +1 on cfformprotect. Just did an install last week.
> Quick.
> Easy.
> Transparent to user. And so far no spam.
>
> http://cff
On Thursday 07 Feb 2008, Andy Matthews wrote:
> OpenID?
I don't want (say) my GMail account attached to my bank account.
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>Tom Chiverton said the following on 2/8/2008 3:41 AM:
>Frankly, I think we users / developers spend way too much time trying to
>one-up the lowlife spammers. Instead, we should quit wasting time,
>re-channel our energies, grab some baseball bats, and start hunting the
>bastards down and beat th
To quote wargames, "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess?"
Everyone needs to give up blogging and dealing with Captchas.
So say we all.
On Feb 8, 2008 7:44 PM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I may be out of the loop, but I have som
> Heck - there's some sites where *I* can't read them - takes me four or
> five tries to get it right!
>
> My "Stupid Question Experiment":
>
> "A cow goes __?"
> (Suggestions - woof, quack, moo, oink)
>
> ...has been 100% successful for the last six months stopping form
> spammers. Funny
> On Thursday 07 Feb 2008, William Seiter wrote:
> > The second one implies that the reader knows enough about math to
> do a > simple word problem.
>
> If they don't, I don't particularly want them commenting on my blog
> :-)
On the other hand, imagine how much fun we could have with a captcha
t
ing over 2 million a month.
That kind of money gets you some powerful friends.
Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:14 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Beyond Captcha
>
> > Frankly, I think w
> Frankly, I think we users / developers spend way too much time trying
> to one-up the lowlife spammers. Instead, we should quit wasting time,
> re-channel our energies, grab some baseball bats, and start hunting
> the bastards down and beat the livin' crap out of 'em!
Now there's a plan I can ge
Tom Chiverton said the following on 2/8/2008 3:41 AM:
> At the end of the day, it's an arms race, and right now I don't see a way to
> defeat the current man-in-the-middle-offering-free-porn work around.
Frankly, I think we users / developers spend way too much time trying to
one-up the lowlife
I hate captchas. Especially hard ones.
I have a visual disability which makes my vision about 20-50 with my
glasses on. I have Best Disease. There are spots in my central
vision. It means I read a lot slower than I used to. I don't read
for pleasure at all anymore.
Anyway, I don't have any p
On Thursday 07 Feb 2008, William Seiter wrote:
> The second one implies that the reader knows enough about math to do a
> simple word problem.
If they don't, I don't particularly want them commenting on my blog :-)
As to CAPTCHA - it solves some problems, but as soon as you become a big
target,
Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Beyond Captcha
I think youtube must have had a number of people with the same issue, as
it's now simply a single colour text snippet on a white background, but I
agree with the principle (I am
> Anyone who uses a screen reader will gladly welcome the demise of
> CAPTCHA as the images cannot be read by these programs making Web sites that
> use them inaccessible by persons who are blind or who have another print
> disability.
Heck - there's some sites where *I* can't read them - takes me
I think youtube must have had a number of people with the same issue,
as it's now simply a single colour text snippet on a white background,
but I agree with the principle (I am also colour vision impaired and
I've seen some where I thought, "there's a word in there?").
I keep hearing good things
On Feb 8, 2008 9:30 AM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not to mention for example, just being color blind
> which is much more common, particularly amongst men, could cause
> problems with captchas that work for people who are hearing impaired.
Bit of anecdotal evidence here: a frien
I was just gonna say, y'know some sites like PayPal have decided to
implement audio captcha for visually impaired users, so my thought was
-- okay, guy gets the notion that maybe an audio captcha is just better
as an alternative to the visual captcha and forgets that there are also
deaf users who w
The problem I have with standardized anti-spam / captcha type form techniques
is that it standardized the technology the spammers have to overcome --
allowing them to potentially leverage their efforts across a great many
websites. If everyone took the time to write a custom script or technolog
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From: "Billy Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Beyond Captcha
It might just be wishful thinking on my part, but I believe that Captcha
will soon be as rare (and just as appreciated) as those little icons sayin
: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Beyond Captcha
If you're dealing with an actual person, then there is probably no
stopping them. Is that what you mean by crackers / hackers?
Do you mean trying to get in admin parts of sites, or legitimate
customer account screens?
Heh. You should have seen CF8's captcha when it was in beta BEFORE there
was a difficulty attribute. XD
On Feb 7, 2008 2:52 PM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just know that I was pissed off the first time I encountered a captcha
> that was unreadable even to human eyes.
>
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http://
Cool... I'll check it out.
I just know that I was pissed off the first time I encountered a captcha
that was unreadable even to human eyes.
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From: Matt Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Beyond Ca
On Feb 7, 2008 2:44 PM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't matter if it's visual, auditory or even cognitive as in the
> case of a word-problem. At
> some point in the not too distant future a very primitive AI will look
> at the word problem and in milliseconds spit back the
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From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:42 AM
To:
> This tag seems nice for a blogging environment or a web entry
> system (similar to the web page where you can add comments to
> this list at houseoffustion.com), but what about not just the
> 'spammers', what about the crackers and hackers who want to
> gain entry to the website via a login p
> http://William.Seiter.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Francisco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:25 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Beyond Captcha
>
> I don't want to speculate, but I do know what works extremely wel
> The enduring problem with a form protection system that interacts
> with the user is that it has to be useable by all users. The highly
> intelligent, the blissfully unaware, the blind, the deaf, the
> colorblind, the average as well as the developer.
The big reason I generally avoid them. Alth
First, it was a quick example off the top of my head so sorry I screwed that
one up - silly me. Next time I'll point to
http://simplebits.com/contact/instead. His question is "Is fire hot
or cold?" Second, Ok? Your point?
It doesn't invalidate what I've seen already.
The blind, I can see thing
: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Beyond Captcha
I don't want to speculate, but I do know what works extremely well for my
apps... Jake Munson's CFFormProtect
> -Original Message-
> From: Billy Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, Fe
+1 on cfformprotect. Just did an install last week.
Quick.
Easy.
Transparent to user. And so far no spam.
http://cfformprotect.riaforge.org/
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-Original Message-
From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Beyond Captcha
Lately I've been s
I don't want to speculate, but I do know what works extremely well for my
apps... Jake Munson's CFFormProtect
> -Original Message-
> From: Billy Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:19 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Beyond Capt
OpenID?
-Original Message-
From: Billy Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Beyond Captcha
It might just be wishful thinking on my part, but I believe that Captcha
will soon be as rare (and just as appreciated) as those little
Lately I've been seeing simple questions such as "What burns? Fire or Ice?"
and you type fire and that's the new trend. Or, they'll do a simple math
using their string counterpart ("one hundred and two plus one = "), etc.
On Feb 7, 2008 2:19 PM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It might ju
It might just be wishful thinking on my part, but I believe that Captcha
will soon be as rare (and just as appreciated) as those little icons saying
'this site optimized for IE 4.0'.
Does anyone want to speculate on what will replace/kill Captcha? (it can't
happen too soon) Does anyone love Captch
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