Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
I probably should have qualified that a little more. If I develop a "thing" from scratch, and just dive right into coding, it might take two weeks. If I spend time to gather requirements, spec it out, do a good design, and then implement it, it might take 2.5 weeks, and the coding will start afte

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Michel Deloux
Thanx Barney once more again for your patience in answer questions like that. MD 2005/8/11, Michel Deloux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks Barney. "Percieved development speed is governed by the > methodology, not a framework.". Really great! > > MD. > > 2005/8/11, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Michel Deloux
Thanks Barney. "Percieved development speed is governed by the methodology, not a framework.". Really great! MD. 2005/8/11, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I didn't quite understand your question, but I'll try and answer anyway. ;) > > Frameworks are just pieces of code to help you do "

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
I didn't quite understand your question, but I'll try and answer anyway. ;) Frameworks are just pieces of code to help you do "something" in your code. Fusebox, Mach-II, and Model-Glue are all structure frameworks; they provide a skeleton from which to hang you application code, and take care o

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Michel Deloux
Ok, ok. It depends. Other question: framework and speed dev are the same thing? Or not? I believe(my point of view) that using frameworks make development harder to code. I'm right? It's possible to separate 100% between M V C? Thanx MD 2005/8/11, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Same answ

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Barney Boisvert
Same answer: "it depends". In this case it depends on the dev team and their experience, whether you need a 100% separate between UI and application (for multiple UIs) or if a little (or a lot) fudging is ok, etc. There is rarely a simple answer. If you pick one framework and always use it, you'

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> I just think it's great that we have such a choice with > CF. We argue (converse) about which one is BEST! That's > what makes it so powerful. You can be an amateur like me > and code the basics, orrr you can code like lots of > you guys do. > BTW, I don't use any of them. My apps are usuall

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Z H
Which method do you recommend for developing a large-scale website/portal? MG >Shrug...I don't think there is one. It depends on what you need. I >wrote Model-Glue, but I'm sitting here using Fusebox because it makes >the most sense for the project I'm working on. > >-Joe > >On 8/10/05, Miche

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Will Tomlinson
I just think it's great that we have such a choice with CF. We argue (converse) about which one is BEST! That's what makes it so powerful. You can be an amateur like me and code the basics, orrr you can code like lots of you guys do. BTW, I don't use any of them. My apps are usually too b

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-11 Thread Raymond Camden
I'll ditto the "It Depends" comment, and also ditto the Model-Glue recommendation. I'm really digging MG so far. On 8/10/05, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Model-glue = more gooder. > > Though, I agree with Barney and Joe, the answer really is, 'It depends'. > > On what? Well, the type

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-10 Thread Scott Stroz
Model-glue = more gooder. Though, I agree with Barney and Joe, the answer really is, 'It depends'. On what? Well, the type of application, what level of OO experience you have, stuff like that. On 8/10/05, Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shrug...I don't think there is one. It depe

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-10 Thread Joe Rinehart
Shrug...I don't think there is one. It depends on what you need. I wrote Model-Glue, but I'm sitting here using Fusebox because it makes the most sense for the project I'm working on. -Joe On 8/10/05, Michel Deloux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personal point of view: choose the best Framework f

Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-10 Thread Barney Boisvert
Presumably you were soliciting opinions? For full-app development, ModelGlue would be my choice, I'd say. For UI's, Fusebox 3, hands down. cheers, barneyb On 8/10/05, Michel Deloux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personal point of view: choose the best Framework for CF. > > Thanks > > MD > --

Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

2005-08-10 Thread Michel Deloux
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