developers. 900,000 Hits. Not
an accurate guage, but I'd say that entails that the usage is not
necessarily all too great.
-Original Message-
From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
I'd think that number
1. Pros? Cons? Opinions? I've generally only seen good
feedback, but I thought I'd see...
I can't recommend Fusebox at this point... the official version is a study
in overkill that tries to define the right way for your apps to be built.
Some folks love that aspect of it, of course, but I
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Here's a quote from fusebox.org:
Fusebox is a FREE web application standard in use by 6174 people from around
the world
6174. Around the world. Hmmm... I know there's 100 or so active cfug
members
1. Pros? Cons? Opinions? I've generally only seen good
feedback, but I thought I'd see...
Its like any developmental methodology. It's value is in direct relation to
the amount of work you need to do to implement it.
If you already have a full or partial methodology then it might not be
...
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From: Joseph DeVore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 2:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
Costas Piliotis,
IMO, The Fusebox 3.0 methodology Rocks!
http://fusebox.org
Have you taken the time to read the spec or create any
Look. Ben Forta is the guru of gurus in CF, and he didn't exactly give it
an endoresement when he came to Vancouver last week. That's enough for me
to sweep that idea under the rug. He didn't exactly slag it either, but
anyways, he can probably fill you in more than I can. As him for more
it's about the future.
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From: Zac Belado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
Look. Ben Forta is the guru of gurus in CF, and he didn't exactly give it
an endoresement when he came
If you are
looking to try and instill good disciplines and readability in your code
Fusebox is also good for that.
This presumes that the developers know fusebox.
You could also get this same benefit from documenting your methods and
making sure your developers follow a single standard.
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From: Zac Belado [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
If you are
looking to try and instill good disciplines and readability in your code
Fusebox is also good
Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire
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From: Zac Belado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
If you are
looking to try and instill good disciplines and readability in your code
Fusebox is also good
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From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
Go Zac! Canada! Canada
Web Developer Extraordinaire
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From: Zac Belado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
If you are
looking to try and instill good disciplines and readability in your code
Fusebox is also good
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
Yes, but any developer worth his salt should be able to pick up a
*documented* methodology and work within it given an hour or so to look
over the documentation. I was on a project
, November 17, 2001 11:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
1.Fusebox is a coding methodology. It's like picking a certain writing
style. It trys to maximize code reuse by structuring the way you write
your
code. It also lends itself to self documentation.
I've seen most
teaching them from the ground up, they can learn on their own.
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire
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From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 6:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
Yes
You know, its all nice to have the original developer explain his
methodology but sometimes that just isn't possible.
-Craig
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions
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From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
You're right any developer should. Doesn't mean they will be able to. And
why bother sitting at a meeting where someone dictates those things to you,
you
You know, its all nice to have the original developer explain his
methodology but sometimes that just isn't possible.
That is why you *document* things.
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: Fusebox - opinions?
Yes, but any developer worth his salt should be able to pick up a
*documented* methodology and work within it given an hour or so to look
over the documentation. I was on a project, where the first thing they did
was have me sit down with the lead developer. He dictated
The problem with making your own methodology up is that only the
people you
have taight it to will know it,
But that's another issue altogether is it not?
the benefit of fusebox and any
other popular
methodology is that there are support forums, sample
applications, and white
papers that
At 03:37 PM 11/19/2001 -0500, you wrote:
You're right any developer should. Doesn't mean they will be able to. And
why bother sitting at a meeting where someone dictates those things to you,
you can pop on the web and learn everything you need to know.
Hey, I'm sure if they had spent time to
but sometimes that just isn't possible.
-Craig
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From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
Here Here!
Bryan Stevenson
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
I know if I need more developers on a project I don't have to waste time
teaching them from the ground up, they can learn on their own.
I really fail to see how this is any different than learning any
developmental methodology.
If someone has to read my methodology docs or someone has to read
Personally I use fusebox and like it but it's a scaled down version of
fusebox, I kinda modified it to my liking... Haven't run into problems yet
but I don't have any SUPER high traffic cf sites.
Kelly
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From: Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
You know, its all nice to have the original developer
If someone led you to believe there was a real difference...they were
mistaken.
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From: Zac Belado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
I know if I need more developers on a project I don't
for not learning the guts of the CF language. It
should educate you, not stupify you.
-Craig
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From: BILLY CRAVENS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
You're right, that isn't always possible
If someone led you to believe there was a real difference...they were
mistaken.
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From: Zac Belado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
I know if I need more developers on a project I don't have to waste time
teaching them from the ground up, they can learn on their own.
I really fail
back
when your done. Lazy is good.
Rick
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From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
I think the difference is that there is a good chance that an outside
contractor might already know
I think the difference is that there is a good chance that an outside
contractor might already know Fusebox. That won't be the case for
something custom.
Maybe this is a regional thing but none of the developers I know use Fusebox
at all. Just how many people actively use fusebox?
I hear
Billy gets the cf_trophy for post of the day.,
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From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
You're right, that isn't always possible, but I agree with the principle
Jeffry
parts of Europe, I'd think that number is kinda
small...
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From: Zac Belado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
I think the difference is that there is a good chance that an outside
contractor
I'd think that number is kinda small...
Compared to what?
What would you guess that number was based upon...what was the likely
source?
Ken
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I'd think that number is kinda small...
Compared to what?
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
I think the difference is that there is a good chance that an outside
contractor might already know Fusebox. That won't be the case for
something custom.
Maybe this is a regional thing but none of the developers I know
use Fusebox
Cool toy :-)
I tried to create an egg on toast recipe but I guess I would need to wiegh
the bread and egg first :-) If you have another three months to kill maybe
add some default wieghts for a slice or an egg?
My wife is a diabetic so she always runs a similiar program when she whips
up
. Just suggesting you be
careful.
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From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fusebox - opinions?
OK, I think I'm on the verge of knuckling down and getting friendly with
Fusebox for CF. Glancing through the PPT
Fusebox is a methodology that may not bode
well with the stuff in cf6.
Or it may be perfectly suited to it...unless, of course, you are saying that
from a position of detailed knowledge regarding both NEO and Fusebox3.
Might be well to check with someone who attended the Fusebox conference
Fusebox is a methodology that may not bode
well with the stuff in cf6.
Or it may be perfectly suited to it...unless, of course, you are saying
that
from a position of detailed knowledge regarding both NEO and Fusebox3.
Might be well to check with someone who attended the Fusebox
You will find us (them?) over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signup at HalHelms.com
I joined the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list but the only
post I've had so far is someone saying they'll be away from
their office for a while! :(
- Gyrus
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, November 18, 2001 10:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Neo/CF6 and Fusebox (was: Fusebox - opinions?)
Fusebox is a methodology that may not bode
well with the stuff in cf6.
Or it may be perfectly suited to it...unless, of course, you are saying
that
from a position of detailed knowledge regarding both
Subject: RE: Fusebox - opinions?
Since everyone has put their two pennies in...
Fusebox is a nice idea. IMHO though, Cold Fusion was never intended for
structured programming in the modern, object oriented terms. New will have
cf classes and stuff, so fusebox may or may not be the way to go
2. Jumping back and forth between all the folders that is used to keep
track of your application. IE: _dsp, _act, _scripts, _css, _qry,
_images etc etc. If you are doing the site by yourself, this can
become tiresome. First you have to look at your index.cfm to see what
query you were
Columbia University
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|From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:41 PM
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|Subject: Fusebox - opinions?
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|
|OK, I think I'm on the verge of knuckling down and getting
|friendly with Fusebox for CF
1.Fusebox is a coding methodology. It's like picking a certain writing
style. It trys to maximize code reuse by structuring the way you write
your
code. It also lends itself to self documentation.
I've seen most of the presentations on www.fusebox.org
and understand what Fusebox is (otherwise
in (this is
what fusebox is all about).
Mike
-Original Message-
From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
1.Fusebox is a coding methodology. It's like picking a certain writing
style. It trys
paying for the actual book.
DB
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From: Gyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
1.Fusebox is a coding methodology. It's like picking a certain writing
style. It trys
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From: Douglas L. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
Here is a few opinions...
Pros
1. FB is great on large scale apps, this allows several developers to have
production
time to time.(But not on my end!!!) :-D
DB
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From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
Hey all,
Lets see
I started doing Fusebox before
I am only
interested in using it due to having more than 1 developer. I can code the
Coldfusion and tell the DBA what queries I need and then just plug them in
without him having his hands in my app.
I am currently doing a lot of work (freelance) for one client, an
agency. I'm pretty much
for themself and everyone has to choose what is best for them. I
do not think that FB would hurt you current client!!
DB
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From: Gyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
I am
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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 12:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
Hey all,
Lets see
I started doing Fusebox before there was a Fusebox and quickly dropped
it.
It seemed to produce an extremely messy control document (I guess it's
always index.cfm
Whoever said that FB is self
documenting must not be commenting his/her code. If this person had just
added comments to the header of each document, it would be so much
easier to track down and debug these applications.
I comment my code well anyway. I disbelieved the FB claim
of being
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From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox - opinions?
Whoever said that FB is self
documenting must not be commenting his/her code. If this person had
just added comments to the header of each
If I get hit by a bus tomorrow - a good CF developer should be able to quickly
pick up my Fusebox project and run with it.
At the same time I would be able to quickly pick up a completely different
project
should I have to. Fusebox is a great way to develop not only for yourself, but
also for
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OK, I think I'm on the verge of knuckling down and getting
friendly with Fusebox for CF. Glancing through the PPT
presentations, it seems pretty cool, and quite close to the
systems I've developed anyway, only better organised :)
A few questions for everyone out there who uses Fusebox:
1. Pros?
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