Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-15 Thread Daniel Jimenez
So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app. In other J2EE servers you have to have a whole coldfusion instance running for each WAR. Talk about a memory hog! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-15 Thread Daniel Jimenez
So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app. In other J2EE servers you have to have a whole coldfusion instance running for each WAR. Talk about a memory hog! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-15 Thread James Holmes
That's how it works in JRun too. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Daniel Jimenez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app. In other J2EE servers you have to have a whole coldfusion instance running for each WAR. Talk about a memory hog! -- mxAjax / CFAjax

RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-15 Thread Andrew Scott
. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 9015 8628 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2008 8:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8 On Tuesday 12 Aug 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: I doubt Don is talking

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-15 Thread Brad Wood
I believe Tom singled out CF8, because Don L (who originated the thread) asked his question in the specific context of CF8. Therefore, Tom responded in the same context. ~Brad - Original Message - From: Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what was your point exactly?

RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-15 Thread Andrew Scott
: Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8 So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app. In other J2EE servers you have to have a whole coldfusion instance running for each WAR. Talk about a memory hog! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8

RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-15 Thread Andrew Scott
, 16 August 2008 1:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8 I believe Tom singled out CF8, because Don L (who originated the thread) asked his question in the specific context of CF8. Therefore, Tom responded in the same context. ~Brad - Original Message - From: Andrew Scott

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-13 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 12 Aug 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: I doubt Don is talking about CPU usage. My biggest issue with Adobe CF Jrun server instances is RAM. Compared to a lot of other App servers Adobe's JRun app server is a glutton. So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app. -- Tom Chiverton

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-13 Thread Gerald Guido
So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app. Sure, let me pull $6800 out of my imaginary budget for the upgrade.;-) On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 Aug 2008, Gerald Guido wrote: I doubt Don is talking about CPU usage. My biggest

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-13 Thread Larry Lyons
So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app. Sure, let me pull $6800 out of my imaginary budget for the upgrade.;-) So there are alternatives like BlueDragon (which is about half the cost), Open BlueDragon (Open sources and free as in speech or beer) and Railo, which is very modestly

RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-13 Thread Ben Forta
There are other J2EE options. CF officially supports JBoss as of CF8. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/systemreqs/ --- Ben -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8 So

RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-13 Thread Dave Watts
Point being Install Adobe CF on Win and it eats tons of ram, on Apache or IIS, on Jrun. I think you missed my point, perhaps. It's not JRun consuming memory, it's CF. CF will do the same on Jboss. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Gerald Guido wrote: I doubt Don is talking about CPU usage. My biggest issue with Adobe CF Jrun server instances is RAM. Compared to a lot of other App servers Adobe's JRun app server is a glutton. The memory doesn't go to JRun, it goes to ColdFusion. My CF 8 JRun instances eats 200 megs on

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-12 Thread Larry Lyons
Point being Install Adobe CF on Win and it eats tons of ram, on Apache or IIS, on Jrun. You could always try an alternative J2EE engine like Tomcat, Jetty or JBoss. If Jrun is being the resource hog, there should be a difference using an alternative JAS. regards, larry

Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Don L
Lean: Architechurally, ideally, developer has the option to pick what core features or family/families to deploy for a given cf server instance, hence, some 'resource-heavy' features like PDF, image, reporting manipulation stuff may be left out... hence, less CPU requirements... 'mean':

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread James Holmes
So don't use those features in your app and your app will have lower CPU requirements. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:09 AM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lean: Architechurally, ideally, developer has the option to pick what core features or family/families to deploy for a given cf server

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Gerald Guido
I doubt Don is talking about CPU usage. My biggest issue with Adobe CF Jrun server instances is RAM. Compared to a lot of other App servers Adobe's JRun app server is a glutton. My CF 8 JRun instances eats 200 megs on a 1.28 gig ram box just sitting there (345 megs on my 3 gig laptop). GlassFish

RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Dave Watts
I doubt Don is talking about CPU usage. My biggest issue with Adobe CF Jrun server instances is RAM. Compared to a lot of other App servers Adobe's JRun app server is a glutton. My CF 8 JRun instances eats 200 megs on a 1.28 gig ram box just sitting there (345 megs on my 3 gig laptop).

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Gerald Guido
I have cf running on top of Apache, single server mode, so all I have to go by is task manager. G On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt Don is talking about CPU usage. My biggest issue with Adobe CF Jrun server instances is RAM. Compared to a lot of

RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Dave Watts
I have cf running on top of Apache, single server mode, so all I have to go by is task manager. Look on the server where the CF instances are installed; the admin server is installed by default. You'll see it around 30 MB or so. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Gerald Guido
Point being Install Adobe CF on Win and it eats tons of ram, on Apache or IIS, on Jrun. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have cf running on top of Apache, single server mode, so all I have to go by is task manager. Look on the server where the CF

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Don L
Gerald, right on, I should have said, system resource allocation or the like... not old yet but I tumbled all the time... To all, a key point being, I don't need to drive a bus to get some grocery, a compact car would do... My deep concern is, if not sufficient thoughts, cf and db/sql skills

Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

2008-08-11 Thread Don L
The whole thing reminds me of ColdFusion Express years ago... How flexible was that architecture? Point being Install Adobe CF on Win and it eats tons of ram, on Apache or IIS, on Jrun. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is