RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-27 Thread webguy
> > I would be cautious advising developers to become single skilled. > Because then if one technology fails, you are screwed. Agreed. But the most important thing is too understand the core concepts. Think HTTP not CFHTTP, think XML not cfxml. Then at least learning a new language is just a m

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-27 Thread Jason Miller
I wasn't saying it can't for the record - I was sharing my thought as to why others always don't take it seriously. I personally prefer to ONLY use it. And of course it's no different than languages.. If you write coldfusion - that's your perferred language. It's as objective as saying to a french

RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-25 Thread Mike Brunt
: mark brinkworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done? If done right ColdFusion is more than capable of handling large scale and secure applictions. The key is doing it right, but this is no different

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-25 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Friday, Jan 24, 2003, at 10:48 US/Pacific, Owens, Howard wrote: > thinking, a real programmer can pick up any language pretty easily. I > mean, > once you understand loops, conditionals, variables ... all languages > seem to > pretty much share the same grammar and much of the same vocabulary

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-25 Thread mark brinkworth
If done right ColdFusion is more than capable of handling large scale and secure applictions. The key is doing it right, but this is no different than ASP, and Java. Training and Code Reviews are key here. Cheers > I am sure no one could have sent this better. I just > thought I would add > my

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-25 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Friday, Jan 24, 2003, at 11:54 US/Pacific, Jason Miller wrote: > I think Cold Fusions biggest blemish is that it's too easy. It's an > easy > tag based environment. Anyone can do it - that sure means it can't > handle large scale or secure applications. I'm not sure where you get the last part

RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-25 Thread mark brinkworth
I would also suggest that a developer not be single skilled. While clearly they cannot be expected to have mastery of every language, I suspect that many could well capable of being able to use several, in an applied sense. I would suggest that most developers would be capable of being competent m

RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Owens, Howard
ay, January 24, 2003 9:44 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done? > > At 11:23 AM 1/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >I would be cautious with the advice for developers to become > >multi-skilled. In a perfect world, I would

Re: RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread ksuh
Well, ASP reached it's end-of-life in terms of extensible architecture. - Original Message - From: Costas Piliotis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:25 am Subject: RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done? > While I appreciate the fact tha

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Cutter (CF_Talk)
It's a matter of balance. A complete knowledge of most languages is not absolutely necessary. Many developers can easily compete if they have: 1) a no nonsense work ethic, 2) a solid understanding of a languages syntax, 3) a good understanding of a languages abilities/limitations, 4) a strong fou

RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Costas Piliotis
popular server-side scripting language in use today. And is a heck of a lot more flexible than asp.net. -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done? On Fri

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Friday, Jan 24, 2003, at 07:37 US/Pacific, S V wrote: > Well great, but I see Asp.net creaping up and quickly too. As a > product is > seems to be more widely accepted and possibly will eclipse JSP/JAVA and > others in a very short time. I very much doubt that. I think we may see an increasing

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread S V
One of the things that MM finally did was offer a developer version of the server,( many people still do not know this). While this is great it came in late in the game. Though there are other free software out there, CF is easier to build in . The fact that it works under Websphere and Webl

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 12:22 PM 1/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >The fact that CF is too easy also means there are a lot of CF apps out >there that are not done properly--cf is easy to do, not always easy to do >right. We've run into this problem a lot where clients have seen very >poorly performing CF apps written by n

RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 11:23 AM 1/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I would be cautious with the advice for developers to become >multi-skilled. In a perfect world, I would be able to do a task in PHP, >Perl, CF, ASP or Java, but in the real world my head would explode knowing >everything there is to know about that. P

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Samuel R. Neff
The fact that CF is too easy also means there are a lot of CF apps out there that are not done properly--cf is easy to do, not always easy to do right. We've run into this problem a lot where clients have seen very poorly performing CF apps written by non-programmers. Run into the same problem

RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Gary W. Sullivan II
ect: RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done? I would be cautious with the advice for developers to become multi-skilled. In a perfect world, I would be able to do a task in PHP, Perl, CF, ASP or Java, but in the real world my head would explode knowing everything there is to know about

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Jason Miller
I am sure no one could have sent this better. I just thought I would add my .02 cents to this - I think Cold Fusions biggest blemish is that it's too easy. It's an easy tag based environment. Anyone can do it - that sure means it can't handle large scale or secure applications. just what I see.

RE: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread Lincoln Milner
I would be cautious with the advice for developers to become multi-skilled. In a perfect world, I would be able to do a task in PHP, Perl, CF, ASP or Java, but in the real world my head would explode knowing everything there is to know about that. Plus you stretch yourself too thin if you try

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread samcfug
group Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: "S V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Re: OT: MM Suprise

Re: OT: MM Suprises Wall Street - Can more be done?

2003-01-24 Thread S V
Well great, but I see Asp.net creaping up and quickly too. As a product is seems to be more widely accepted and possibly will eclipse JSP/JAVA and others in a very short time. My question is while MM can dump more into marketing and hype the product, but what can the community do to help. It se