Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-04 Thread Philip Hayes
Michael- Good thought, but if you move the js call to the head, the ad no longer works... as in: http://sandbox.siriusinnovations.com/cfmenu_browsertest/index2.cfm Still tying different things myself. On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:54 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: Ah, I think I've got it. Place the

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-04 Thread Michael Dinowitz
That's because the ad call is before the ad definition block. What I meant was to have both the ad definition block and the call outside the head, but I see that's not a worry. On HoF the problem wasn't with the ads but with the analytics script which was moved to the bottom of the page. I still

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-03 Thread Philip Hayes
Like I said... I have a Spry Menu working great and would be ok to keep using it. But, I was hoping to take advantage of the new CF8 tags to make my life easier, but it seems many of the AJAX tags don't play well with the Google ads and other code that might find itself on a typical web

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-03 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Ah, I think I've got it. Place the Google ad code (the js call) inside the body of the doc right where the ad will be shown. If its in the head it may be interfering with the external calls for js libraries. Speculation, but that's the only way that the two different apps would really interact.

Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Philip Hayes
Has anybody noticed and/or come up with a solution for the slow rendering speed of certain CF Ajax tags such as CFMENU and CFLAYOUT (tabs in particular)? I have a site utilizing using the Spry Menus and Spry Tabs that come with Dreamweaver. Works like a charm and is quick to load. I

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Rey Bango
Phil, Could you put up a small demo that shows this behavior? That will help in troubleshooting it. Rey... Philip Hayes wrote: Has anybody noticed and/or come up with a solution for the slow rendering speed of certain CF Ajax tags such as CFMENU and CFLAYOUT (tabs in particular)? I

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
When some of the ColdFusion Ajax tags are used, a LOT of libraries are loaded. If you copy the ajax directory from C:\ColdFusion8\wwwroot\CFIDE\scripts to a new location you can then use cfajaximport to include the new scripts. You'll have to pare down some based on what your doing but you can

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Rey Bango
Great tip Michael. I'll need to add that to my CF Cookbook folder. Rey.. Michael Dinowitz wrote: When some of the ColdFusion Ajax tags are used, a LOT of libraries are loaded. If you copy the ajax directory from C:\ColdFusion8\wwwroot\CFIDE\scripts to a new location you can then use

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Any time. These are the files I used last when working with cflayout=border. Most of them are probably needed for any of the more advanced ColdFusion/Ajax operations: C:\ColdFusion8\wwwroot\CFIDE\thinscripts8\ajax\ext\ext-core.js

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Philip Hayes
Thanks. I'll post a demo site tonight. Stay tuned. I read somewhere on the internet about compressing the Javascript libraries. What do you think of that? On Dec 2, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: Any time. These are the files I used last when working with cflayout=border.

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
This has come up in the past and it's a great idea but the libraries that come with CF aren't compressed by default. As standard compression is just gzip, it should be no problem to zip them up and see how it goes. I've been meaning to try it out but have always had other things to do. I'll see if

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Rey Bango
Hi Phil, Compressing your libraries won't help in the actual rendering of things such as CFLAYOUT or CFMENU. It's main purpose is to assist in speeding up transfer of the libraries across the wire. So, you need to determine if you're having a performance issue due to Internet latency, file

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I'd say the issue is transfer over rendering as just about ALL of the ajax libraries are transfered, even the ones that are not needed. With so many files being transfered, if the important ones show up 'later' than the less-important ones On Dec 2, 2007 5:10 PM, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Philip Hayes
Well... I may have found part of the problem. Google Ads.Here is a URL to stripped down page with nothing but CFMENU and a google ad.It shows the delay in Firefox and Safari so far. The site that I was working on has Google ads on it so I may have found at least part of the

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I was doing a firebug analysis when the page gave me a 404 but what I saw before hand was 230k of files, 10k of which was Google. The ColdFusion Ajax js files took almost all of the rest. The time-to-retrieve showed the Google files to be less than 100ms while at least one of the js files were

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Philip Hayes
Strange... Don't know why it went down... Should be back up now. Do you see the flash of the un-rendered menu items? I also stripped out the css. On Dec 2, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: I was doing a firebug analysis when the page gave me a 404 but what I saw before hand was

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Philip Hayes
Here is the original template... !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 titleUntitled Document/title /head body script type=text/javascript!-- google_ad_client =

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Greg Luce
Yes, I saw the un-rendered menu before the real menu-bar loads. Greg On Dec 2, 2007 7:52 PM, Philip Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange... Don't know why it went down... Should be back up now. Do you see the flash of the un-rendered menu items? I also stripped out the css. On Dec 2,

Re: Slow Speed of Ajax Driven CF Tags

2007-12-02 Thread Claude Schneegans
Yes, I saw the un-rendered menu before the real menu-bar loads. Me too. I don't know about using CFMENU, but I have my own menu designed far before CFMENU existed and I have the whole DIV embeding the menu with style invisible. The style is set to visible only when the whole menu is set up. --