Great! It'll be interesting to see if it works. Make sure to post to the
list when you find out.
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From: Andrew Grosset [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
But the fact is, if you wanted free ColdFusion, you would expect same
functionality and performance as ColdFusion proper, which Smith cannot
offer?
Speed... it can offer:
This code executed on both CFMX7 and Smith 1.25 results in Smith being
on average 5
I hear you Jochem
MD
On 6 Feb 2007, at 08:53, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
All I read is words like expect, need, want and free. Those
words are not the words that will convince the code owners to
opensource
Smith. If nobody is going to write about offer help, invest time,
employ maintainers
Yes, but can't you executed a stored procedure directly from within
cfquery? We've done it here many times in the past...
Cutter
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Andrew Grosset wrote:
Very interesting alternative...though cfstoredproc needs adding before I
can use it.
Yes, but AFAIK you can't make use of return codes, output parameters,
and multiple result sets.
~Brad
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From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the
Andrew...
Any reason you can't just execute the SP from within a cfquery block?
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From: Andrew Grosset [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project
Very interesting
(Andy Cutter (CFRelated)),
just tried it (execute the SP from within a cfquery block) on MX7 and it works
but weather it will work on Railo...? I'll have to download it and see!
Andrew.
Andrew...
Any reason you can't just execute the SP from within a cfquery block?
-Original
All I read is words like expect, need, want and free. Those
words are not the words that will convince the code owners to opensource
Smith. If nobody is going to write about offer help, invest time,
employ maintainers or sponsor features I think this thread is pretty
pointless.
So who of you
On Monday 05 Feb 2007, Doug Brown wrote:
Pretty cool. I would say that the only thing stopping me from hosting
myself would be the costs involved in coldfusion server.
There are free CFML servers, some from Adobe (depending on what you want it
for).
My excuse for not running one is my server
People said that about Linux too, but things change.
People said that about Unix too, about 30 years ago, and nothing has
changed ;-)
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On Monday 05 Feb 2007, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
And more to the point, who cares? Not to be the spoiler of the partay but I
mean in all reality how many people, currently on CF/BD would consider a
move to Smith? just because it is free.
The flip side, is how many people will now look
Well all the ones that hear, that there are alternatives with low or no
costs at all. Like Railo or Smith.
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I think that will depend on how many pure java developers are out there in
coldfusion land that could help out. I for one cannot as I know squat about
Java. If I could help in another way, then I would be very glad to.
Doug B.
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From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL
By using it!
Who isn't gonna download it and take a look?
Funny story, I was looking down the list of supported tags and misread it
thinking it said no to cfloop! WHAT!
Adrian
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From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 February 2007 12:57
To: CF-Talk
Another thing I would like to point out is this. How many times do we speak
and nobody listens in regards to new features? How long has some of the same
bugs been around? IE: (CFMAIL) As an open source project, you could have
these things addressed in the community and not have to beg a
On Tuesday 06 Feb 2007, Adrian Lynch wrote:
Funny story, I was looking down the list of supported tags and misread it
thinking it said no to cfloop! WHAT!
The lack of cflog is a slight pain.
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It will be a long time before hosting companies take hold and use Smith.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since it's just a jar file and not an install, why
would a hosting company be involved with any decision over using Smith or not?
You would just need to know what JDK they support
I agree
Well, I am not versed enough in Java to assist in development. However,
some of us know how to write documentation. I am sure someone out there
can assist with maintenance of the Smith website. Someone probably knows
something or other about moderating mailing lists and forums. There are
I'd like to see them have a mailing list or forum (which I don't think
they presently have... I could be wrong), but I like seeing discussions
like this, and I'll bet they would too. I'd definitely join such a
mailing list/forum.
Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
Well, I am not versed enough in Java
Christopher Jordan wrote:
I'd like to see them have a mailing list or forum (which I don't think
they presently have... I could be wrong), but I like seeing discussions
like this, and I'll bet they would too. I'd definitely join such a
mailing list/forum.
There is actually a forum
On 2/6/07, Christopher Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to see them have a mailing list or forum (which I don't think
they presently have... I could be wrong), but I like seeing discussions
like this, and I'll bet they would too. I'd definitely join such a
mailing list/forum.
But also, I'd like to know where the Digg poster got their
information...there doesn't seem to be any indication on the Smith
site
of an announced change to open source...right now it just says...
Smith is freeware software, which means that it comes with permission
for anyone to use, copy,
See? I said I could be wrong! :o)
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On 2/6/07, Christopher Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to see them have a mailing list or forum (which I don't think
they presently have... I could be wrong), but I like seeing discussions
like this, and I'll bet they
On 2/6/07 10:40 AM, Doug Bezona wrote:
Probably got it from the second post here:
http://www.smithproject.org/forum/posts/list/6.page
No details (timeline, license, etc.) though.
http://www.smithproject.org/forum/posts/list/15.page
A month or so.
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I'd easily be willing to sacrifice *SOME* functionality for the sake of
cost. The jury's still out on exactly what I'd be willing to give up.
andy
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject:
Why could smith not offer the same performance and functionality? If it
is open source potentially it will end up offering better performance
and more functionality. The only thing I see going are those items that
deal with flash.
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From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL
I would not see the flash integration going anywhere. I am sure all that has
to be done is creating something in JAVA to be able to talk back and forth
with flash. Might be alot harder than just words, but should be possible.
Doug B.
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From: Porter, Benjamin L.
By the way...
The post that we've been discussing made it to the Front page of Digg! Good
job everyone. Even though there was lots of arguments, and lots of negative
former CF develooper or php rules over CF comments, the important thing
is that some of you made reasoned, intelligent posts about
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openamf/
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From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project
I would not see the flash integration going anywhere.
Words from smith regarding opensource
Doug,
yes, Vladimir Nikic has anounced the opening of Smith. Our management is
been working with lawyers about all the possible legal issues about that. We
are waiting for their answer yet
Best,
Boris
Doug
Sweet!
Andy Matthews wrote:
By the way...
The post that we've been discussing made it to the Front page of Digg! Good
job everyone. Even though there was lots of arguments, and lots of negative
former CF develooper or php rules over CF comments, the important thing
is that some of you made
Very interesting alternative...though cfstoredproc needs adding before I can
use it.
Andrew.
Well all the ones that hear, that there are alternatives with low or no
costs at all. Like Railo or Smith.
Greetings / Grüsse
Gert Franz
Customer Care
Railo Technologies GmbH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://digg.com/programming/Open_source_ColdFusion_Server
Andy Matthews
Senior Coldfusion Developer
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Dugg...
Andy Matthews wrote:
http://digg.com/programming/Open_source_ColdFusion_Server
Andy Matthews
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Office: 877.707.5467 x747
Direct: 615.627.9747
Fax: 615.467.6249
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Dugg. :)
On 2/5/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://digg.com/programming/Open_source_ColdFusion_Server
Andy Matthews
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Pretty cool. I would say that the only thing stopping me from hosting myself
would be the costs involved in coldfusion server. It would be a hell of alot
better to host myself and be able to administrate the servers then rely on
other to do it for me. Of course it would be quite awhile before
Of course it would be quite awhile before smith was
anywhere near the quality of Macromedia's product.
By taking the project open source, I think they would enable more rapid
feature development. The quality I think would depend on who is running
the project and how many quality contributions
I know its free but the following does not make much sence to me.
I see that cfstoredproc, cfprocparam is supported but on the web site it
says that cfprocresult is not supported.. Very strange. It seams like you
execute procedures as long as they do not return data.
I know its free but the following does not make much sence to me.
I see that cfstoredproc, cfprocparam is supported but on
the web site it says that cfprocresult is not supported..
Very strange. It seams like you execute procedures as long
as they do not return data.
Parameters can
And more to the point, who cares? Not to be the spoiler of the partay but I
mean in all reality how many people, currently on CF/BD would consider a
move to Smith? just because it is free.
I would wager not that many, if any.
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And more to the point, who cares? Not to be the spoiler of the partay but I
mean in all reality how many people, currently on CF/BD would consider a
move to Smith? just because it is free.
I would wager not that many, if any.
People said that about Linux too, but things change.
Maybe the Smith
The same argument could have been made for BD when it first came out.
A similar argument could have probably been made for CF when it's first
clunky version hit shelves.
I've never tried Smith, but I still think it is cool.
~Brad
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Linux was and is an entirely different beast and mo.
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I'd move to it for all my smaller clients who cannot afford a copy of CF
or BD (and that's quite a few). I'd want to download and play with it
first though. I wrote and told them along time ago that it wasn't worth
my time if it didn't support CFCs. They wrote back recently to tell me
that the
and mo? who's mo? (nauck-nauck-nauck!)
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
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Agreed. Very cool indeed!! If we as developers had a solution to offer our
clients that wanted to host their own sites versus using a hosting company,
I think we would double or triple our income. One of the major draw backs to
Coldfusion is in it's cost. I cannot count the times that I have lost
Whoop whoop!
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But the fact is, if you wanted free ColdFusion, you would expect same
functionality and performance as ColdFusion proper, which Smith cannot
offer?
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Here! Here!
Doug Brown wrote:
Agreed. Very cool indeed!! If we as developers had a solution to offer our
clients that wanted to host their own sites versus using a hosting company,
I think we would double or triple our income. One of the major draw backs to
Coldfusion is in it's cost. I
They may not be able to offer it now, but if they could I'd do it in a
heartbeat for all my smaller clients. Smith needs community support (in
some fashion or another) if they're to move forward.
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
But the fact is, if you wanted free ColdFusion, you would expect
Hmm, sceptical.. :-)
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I would expect an open source version of CF to implement a strong subset
of the CF that most developers use on a daily basis and to implement it
with excellent performance. I suspect that open sourcing the core of CF
would make it so that you had a stable, lower footprint server that
would run
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