Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-07 Thread denstar
Heh, I like that idea. Power to the people. Wonder if we could leverage/tie in with http://www.coldfusioncommunity.org/ ? :Den -- We never fully grasp the import of any true statement until we have a clear notion of what the opposite untrue statement would be. William James On Fri, May 7, 20

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-07 Thread Carey Duryea
>Heh. What's your vector, Victor? LOL > >Yeah, I'm down with math and automation names too. > >Mobious strips and self-organizing systems and recursion and whatnot are >lovely. > >Originality is swell too, and prevents sue-age. Hrm. > >I'd resorted to play on words + ego and whatnot for my proj

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-07 Thread denstar
Heh. What's your vector, Victor? LOL Yeah, I'm down with math and automation names too. Mobious strips and self-organizing systems and recursion and whatnot are lovely. Originality is swell too, and prevents sue-age. Hrm. I'd resorted to play on words + ego and whatnot for my projects (shend

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
> YEAH! PEEP POWERS! =) > > A tracker to track the tracker, maybe? :) > > I'm down for whatever. > > What would you call such a site? What would the URL be? > > :Den > > -- > Truth lives, in fact, for the most part on a credit system. Our > thoughts and beliefs pass, so long as nothing ch

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
YEAH! PEEP POWERS! =) A tracker to track the tracker, maybe? :) I'm down for whatever. What would you call such a site? What would the URL be? :Den -- Truth lives, in fact, for the most part on a credit system. Our thoughts and beliefs pass, so long as nothing challenges them, just as ban

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
>>>you don't have to be spoon feed this stuff for enormous amounts of money > >There is a lot to be said for curriculum design, guided instruction and >formal training. I am not interested in debating the merits of autodidactism >and self guided learning as I am proponents of both BUT, a well desi

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
Den, What do you mean by tracking system? Tracking what? hhahah i was thinking of creating a site to construct the community on at some point. first develop some core functionalities, and then basically set up a voting api that people can vote sugguestins to be developed and have sort of

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
A site for selling decks? Sweet! I was out skating yesterday for the first time in like years. :) It looks good too. Nice work! CFEclipse is still alive, and kick'n it, fer realz. :) I've got plenty of experience, but sometimes that gets in the way, so it shouldn't be valued /too/ much. H

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
> Sean Corfield wrote: >> A certificate doesn't say zip about whether you can get work done. The >> courses might be useful for the O.P. but they don't tell an employer >> anything so the certificate itself is worthless, IMO. > > As in most things, it depends. A certificate might not be wort

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Hehe. Sanity is *such* a fun concept. And I have a love/hate relationship with "labels", even if they're "good" ones, like "sane". So... Yeehaw! =) If we were doing a framework, I'd say it would be important to be uniform, and stick to the framework, but what we're talking about (sorta- commun

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
> Keeping in mind that the most widely attractive framework might not > be > the best fit, probably FW/1 or maybe ColdBox or CFWheels. People > seem > hyped for 'em. > > And they're swell! They do their jobs well. > > Personally, I like the whole XML deal MG has. I don't leverage it > right

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Keeping in mind that the most widely attractive framework might not be the best fit, probably FW/1 or maybe ColdBox or CFWheels. People seem hyped for 'em. And they're swell! They do their jobs well. Personally, I like the whole XML deal MG has. I don't leverage it right, at all, but it is a

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
> Sounds swell. Guess we'd need a name, neh? :) > > My view of open source results in wanting "buy-in"-ness more than > "crush them"-ness... "Framework" be a fighting word. :) Not sure > how to tackle that other than supporting them all (at least > potentially). > > Which is why we'd need a

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
>I could cover the cost of a VPS. > >On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar wrote: >> no i hear ya i had never heard that word before! but i'm down to cover version control hosting, using this thread forever might get redundent to haha but let me know what to do next i have the trigger in

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Gerald Guido
On a practical note. I cannot say enough good things about the free courses offered by the Stanford Engineering Everywhere program http://see.stanford.edu/see/courses.aspx The Programming methodology course is a fantastic place to start learning programming. http://see.stanford.edu/see/courseinf

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Gerald Guido
>>you don't have to be spoon feed this stuff for enormous amounts of money There is a lot to be said for curriculum design, guided instruction and formal training. I am not interested in debating the merits of autodidactism and self guided learning as I am proponents of both BUT, a well designed

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Roger Austin
Sean Corfield wrote: > A certificate doesn't say zip about whether you can get work done. The > courses might be useful for the O.P. but they don't tell an employer > anything so the certificate itself is worthless, IMO. As in most things, it depends. A certificate might not be worth the

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Casey Dougall
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Carey Duryea wrote: > > >I'm thinking that this might be a good deal > > > >http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php > > i'm thinking you should go to the library first before you spend hundreds > of dollars and check out any number of php

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
Sounds swell. Guess we'd need a name, neh? :) My view of open source results in wanting "buy-in"-ness more than "crush them"-ness... "Framework" be a fighting word. :) Not sure how to tackle that other than supporting them all (at least potentially). Which is why we'd need a solid way to te

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
>> >> Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project, >> you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can >> be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them >> to see what they've done publicly... > >Rut-roh. > >Look man, I can explain!

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project, > you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can > be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them > to see what they've done pub

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Carey Duryea
>I could cover the cost of a VPS. > >On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar wrote: >> no i hear ya i had never heard that word before! but i'm down to cover version control hosting, using this thread forever might get redundent to haha but let me know what to do next i have the trigger in

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread Brian Thornton
I could cover the cost of a VPS. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar wrote: > > LOL.  I'm not kosher, so to speak.  I just love language.  Or > something like that.  :) > > There's been some effort in this area of bringing things together. > There's that framework that can leverage like, a b

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-06 Thread denstar
LOL. I'm not kosher, so to speak. I just love language. Or something like that. :) There's been some effort in this area of bringing things together. There's that framework that can leverage like, a bunch of other frameworks, and those same heads ported Galleon and maybe some other stuff? Th

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
>> i dont' know what we are talking about funding > >No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about >contributing time and effort to open source projects. >-- >Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN >Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ >An Architect's View -- http://

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Carey Duryea wrote: > and i was referring to that.  i am down to contribute my time and my limited > abilities for the sheer learning experience it would be for me. and i think > it would be very rewarding. and i'm just saying i would have no problem > helping

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
>> i dont' know what we are talking about funding > >No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about >contributing time and effort to open source projects. >-- >Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN >Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ >An Architect's View -- http://

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Carey Duryea wrote: > i dont' know what we are talking about funding No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about contributing time and effort to open source projects. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
> Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project, > you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can > be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them > to see what they've done publicly... > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Carey Dur

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Sean Corfield
Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project, you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them to see what they've done publicly... On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Carey Duryea wrote:

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
> If you have the venture capital, I have the Chutzpah. :) > > Or, to quote a totally wicked and way underrated 80's flick: > > "If you bring the dip, I'll bring the chips." > > Seriously tho, I hear you. Let's get competitive, just for kicks. > > :Den Den, how come everyone in the coldf

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread denstar
If you have the venture capital, I have the Chutzpah. :) Or, to quote a totally wicked and way underrated 80's flick: "If you bring the dip, I'll bring the chips." Seriously tho, I hear you. Let's get competitive, just for kicks. :Den -- Turkish waiter: One Istanbul Express. Woody Wilkins:

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
i was going to say, One really good way to show a potiential employer your skill and your ability to get things done, is contribute to open source projects. if you contribute things to open source that show your skills everyone appreciates you! and it will show an employer that you are sort o

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: ... > I looked over the syllabus and it's very basic stuff. However, I'd > certainly love every CFer to take the Unix / Apache portions of these > O'Reilly courses! Hey, I'll teach that for $50 bucks less! I could probably print up a nice cer

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
i'm reading about apache right now , trying to figure out all this load balancing stuff. i really do wish though that there were more interactive lessons out there, seems like teaching in general has not caught up with the capability that these new technologies actually can produce! interacti

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Justin Scott wrote: > "I checked out some books at the library" isn't nearly as attractive as > "Earned Web Programming Certificate from The University of Illinois" on your > resume.  Hitting the library may show some initiative, but employers need to > know you ca

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal > >http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php Good point!!! i guess i was looking at it from my perspective i only develop for my own entrepreneurial endeavors. i have never been a guy of creditials though cause of alway

RE: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Justin Scott
> i'm thinking you should go to the library first > before you spend hundreds of dollars and check "I checked out some books at the library" isn't nearly as attractive as "Earned Web Programming Certificate from The University of Illinois" on your resume. Hitting the library may show some initia

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal > >http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php i'm thinking you should go to the library first before you spend hundreds of dollars and check out any number of php books, PHP 6 Fast and Easy Web Development is one . this book

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal > >http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php you don't have to be spoon feed this stuff for enormous amounts of money ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Carey Duryea
>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal > >http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php i'm thinking you should go to the library first before you spend hundreds of dollars and check out any number of php books, PHP 6 Fast and Easy Web Development is one . this book

Re: Web Programming Cert

2010-05-05 Thread Kris Sisk
>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal > >http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php It mostly looks good, but there's a Perl class in there. Don't get me wrong, I know Perl, I like Perl, and I write a whole lot of scripts for my own personal use in Perl. I even cut

Web Programming Cert

2010-05-04 Thread Brian Thornton
I'm thinking that this might be a good deal http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430