[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread Justin Carter
On Feb 17, 3:33 pm, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: Find a framework that has more than 5 developers (so that you know it will be supported and maintained) Find one that has been around and used for 5 years (so that you know it has longevity) In the case of FarCry Core, it's been in

RE: [cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread Dale Fraser
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework. Not understanding the hate for frameworks @DaleFraser. I have great experiences using both Coldbox and CFWheels in production environments. ColdBox in particular is well-suited to enterprise scale production websites. IMO the purpose

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread Dennis Clark
Mark, what makes you think I was hating on FarCry? FarCry is f**king AWESOME, and to think otherwise is RETARDED. I guess people don't get my humour either :-) And yes, FarCry does use UUIDs all over the place, but it that's a good thing. It means no autonumber conflicts! -- Dennis On Feb 18,

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread Brett Herford-Fell
+1 for FW/1. Been working with it and model-glue in the past. Both are great, but FW/1 is so efficient to to work with. On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Clark boomf...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, what makes you think I was hating on FarCry? FarCry is f**king AWESOME, and to think otherwise

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread christophe albrech
But it can have performance implications at the DB level. - If not sequential, Index fragmentation ensues. Page splits, too. - As the UUID is probably the clustering key, it gets added to all NCIs, which in turn become larger and slower. - Database gets bigger. That means less stuff

[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread Justin Carter
On Feb 20, 10:11 am, christophe albrech christophe.albr...@gmail.com wrote: But it can have performance implications at the DB level.    - If not sequential, Index fragmentation ensues. Page splits, too.    - As the UUID is probably the clustering key, it gets added to all NCIs,    which in

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread christophe albrech
Yes, but as a rule of thumb (in most cases) I don't like having my clustered index on something else than the pk. That's most likely what you'll use to get to your data, which means that if you do put CIX on another column, you open the door to a world of pain in terms of bookmark look-ups. Just

[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-19 Thread Justin Carter
Yep, and it depends what you're optimising for; reads, writes, joins, all of the above! My point was that FarCry shouldn't stop you from being able to tune your database. Out of the box things work one particular way because it's sufficient for the majority of use cases, but if you need to do

[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-18 Thread Justin Carter
Way to fly the flag there Dennis... 0_o I think Scott knows that FarCry is totally awesome anyway, or at least he should :) cheers, Justin On Feb 17, 2:15 pm, Dennis Clark boomf...@gmail.com wrote: As others have said there are plenty of CF frameworks to choose from. One that hasn't been

Re: [cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-17 Thread M@ Bourke
Dale my view is this, if its a framework that is nice and complete it should remain quite future proof for the life of the app etc, also most developers should be able to pick up a framework quite fast if working on a preexisting app along side developers who can help them along for a week. This

[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-17 Thread Mark Picker
@Dennis. I don't understand the FarCry hate. What version are you talking about? We have been running FarCry from when it was just a CMS but have recently made the jump to 6.1.3. I do get that it can be confusing to someone who is new to it. Even though the documentation still needs some more

[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

2012-02-16 Thread Dale Fraser
Well, I'm only 1/2 serious however. Find a framework that has more than 5 developers (so that you know it will be supported and maintained) Find one that has been around and used for 5 years (so that you know it has longevity) Find one that at least (25% of ColdFusion developers will already