[cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-19 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Ron Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-20 03:40]: > my vote would be either for Object::InsideOut or Class::Std, Don’t miss Class::InsideOut. It’s better than either of the modules you mention for inside-out style. Unlike Class::Std it actually works reliably, and unlike Object::InsideOut it d

[cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-20 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Ron Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-20 09:55]: > since that module recommends [1] Object::InsideOut, what can a > beginner do but follow the advice :-))? “It is highly recommended if a more full-featured inside-out object builder is needed. Its array-based mode is faster than hash-based impl

[cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-20 Thread Robert Hicks
Ron Savage wrote: Adopting Rose required retraining myself, but after a very short while it just went Click! in a powerful way. So I asked myself - why is that? It's a feeling so it's difficult to articulate - but the word I now use is familiarity. Writing DBI code in Rose feels just like writ

Re: [cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-20 Thread Ron Savage
A. Pagaltzis wrote: Hi Don’t miss Class::InsideOut. It’s better than either of the Sure - but since that module recommends [1] Object::InsideOut, what can a beginner do but follow the advice :-))? [1] http://search.cpan.org/~dagolden/Class-InsideOut-1.08/lib/Class/InsideOut/Manual/About.po

Re: [cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-20 Thread Peter Karman
Robert Hicks wrote on 10/20/07 7:12 PM: I have been reading stuff on Rose recently. It is getting a lot of good press from other Perl developers as well. I may try it in a new project someday. RDBO++ -- Peter Karman . http://peknet.com/ . [EMAIL PROTECTED] # CGI::Application comm

Re: [cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-20 Thread Daniel Sterling
Peter Karman wrote: RDBO++ So here everybody is saying they like Rose better, and I'm learning DBIC :) So, I'll ask, what do you think? How is Rose better than DBIC or vice versa? The most comprehensive comparison I found is at http://osdir.com/ml/lang.perl.modules.dbi.rose-db-object/2006-06/

Re: [cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-20 Thread Peter Karman
Daniel Sterling wrote on 10/20/07 9:26 PM: Peter Karman wrote: RDBO++ So here everybody is saying they like Rose better, and I'm learning DBIC :) So, I'll ask, what do you think? How is Rose better than DBIC or vice versa? I think it comes down to aesthetics, really. By that I mean that t

Re: [cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-20 Thread Timothy Appnel
On 10/20/07, Peter Karman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it comes down to aesthetics, really. By that I mean that the RDBO API > design matched more closely the way I would do things if I were writing an > ORM. > I found I grokked the "RDBO way" more easily. On that point I'll mention that

Re: [cgiapp] Re: Class::MOP? Really?

2007-10-22 Thread Jason Purdy
Hmm, I just saw this (catching up on my email, if you can't tell already ;)) after I replied directly to Robert's previous email on this topic. I wanted to share that I'm using/enjoying Rose, too, but also that I stumbled onto it and gave it a shot after reading Randal's columns on the technolo