Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-26 Thread Colin Davis
That's the idea. Like I said, we'll probably have opennet eventually.Then we agree ;)I don't think that freenet can do an opennet until the darkenet works properly. My concern is that the darknet will never work properly, however.They can, although they are already blown. Anyway the point is that i

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-26 Thread Roger Hayter
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 05:50:34PM +0100, Roger Hayter wrote: FWIW, I agree with all your points. And I would add that no-one is more than 2 steps away from a police spy - I find random connection *adds* plausible denia

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 04:06:50PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > "in its current state" > > Sure- I can only look at the present. I'm usre that hte project has plans > for fixing things, but I'm just trying to express the way I see it. > > > What exactly were his reasons? > > I talked t

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-26 Thread colin
> "in its current state" Sure- I can only look at the present. I'm usre that hte project has plans for fixing things, but I'm just trying to express the way I see it. > What exactly were his reasons? I talked to two physical friends of mine- I tried to outline their answers below- One said that

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 06:15:04PM -0400, Colin Davis wrote: > > > >If/when we do opennet people will use that instead till it gets > >blocked(it will happen eventually), then we're back to trying to get > >the darknet working for everyone again. If most people will use the > >opennet till it's imp

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 05:50:34PM +0100, Roger Hayter wrote: > > FWIW, I agree with all your points. And I would add that no-one is more > than 2 steps away from a police spy - I find random connection *adds* > plausible deniability: although not (and this is a valid point that has > been mad

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 10:22:31AM -0400, Colin Davis wrote: > I'd like to use this opportunity to disagree with the current .7 > strategy of the darknet- I've done it before, but this is the Chat > list, so It's not Off-topic to have a discussion about it. > > I'd like to start of by admittin

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-25 Thread Lars Juel Nielsen
On 6/26/06, Colin Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If/when we do opennet people will use that instead till it gets > blocked(it will happen eventually), then we're back to trying to get > the darknet working for everyone again. If most people will use the > opennet till it's impossible to do

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-25 Thread Colin Davis
FWIW, I agree with all your points. And I would add that no-one is more than 2 steps away from a police spy - I find random connection *adds* plausible deniability: although not (and this is a valid point that has been made by the developers) if running Freenet is itself a crime. But if

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-25 Thread Colin Davis
If/when we do opennet people will use that instead till it gets blocked(it will happen eventually), then we're back to trying to get the darknet working for everyone again. If most people will use the opennet till it's impossible to do anymore there will be very few and probably small seperate da

Re: [freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-24 Thread Roger Hayter
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I'd like to use this opportunity to disagree with the current .7 strategy of the darknet- I've done it before, but this is the Chat list, so It's not Off-topic to have a discussion about it. I'd like to start of by admitti

[freenet-chat] Arguments against the Darknet

2006-06-24 Thread Colin Davis
I'd like to use this opportunity to disagree with the current .7 strategy of the darknet- I've done it before, but this is the Chat list, so It's not Off-topic to have a discussion about it. I'd like to start of by admitting that I probably know the least about the subject, compared with a