[Lots of important, accurate dot-connecting regarding the big
picture, the larger historical framework for 9/11. Daniel
Hopsicker lacks the ability to think on this level -- he's
basically a dogged gumshoe (a good thing) who manages to turn up
interesting facts for better minds to interpret.]
mark urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com
From: "mark urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:59:29 -0000
Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: loftus on wtprn
I believe the 19 arabs were patsies. They were run by the same
folks whom Daniel Hopsicker writes about on Madcow. They were
operatives who appeared to act like muslim extremeists yet were
deeply involved with the off the books intel stuff that goes right
back to the Ferrie/Oswald days.
Muslim extremists harken back to anti castro cubans behaving like
pro Castro extremists when the need for false flag ops are
involved. Israel is most definitely involved, probably as a more
than willing confederate, as the Mossad is the acknowledged master
of the false flag op - Lavon Affair(unsuccessful), Liberty
(unsuccessful), Entebbe (successful) see article below, Trojan
Dick - Libya op to frame Quaddafi for the Berlin disco bombing by
transmitting disinfo from a station near Libyan intel center
(successful) (Source :Victor Ostrovsky), Achille Lauro (successful)
(see portion of article below from Israel Shamir's website). At one
point Hopsicker was investigating the Israeli movers who had a run
in with cops that seemed to lead to bigger and better stuff (I
believe the implied idea was that they were attempting to poison a
water supply), but Dan stopped going after this story many years ago.
As far as the Pentahit is concerned I must say that I was at first
completely in agreement with Hopsicker and Judge as to the way
things happened; however, as I read more and more about what
actually happened at the Pentagon that day, I became skeptical. My
position is that until I see the confiscated surveillance tapes of
what happened that day, I am not on board. Just look at how hard
you strain to make the facts fit the desired scenario - something
to think about!
I cannot speak for anybody else, nor do I wish to be lumped in with
them. As I said before. I do not believe the official story of a
government that consistently lies to us. The 911 commission was a
fetid continuation of the same kind of silly attempt to cover up
the truth as that of the Warren Commission Report.
The tissue of lies cannot remain in tact much longer. We are going
bankrupt as a country because we refuse to demand the truth. I do
not know if the truth will come out after the collapse. The biggest
problem for us is when the supposed truth seekers also take a dive
- that really breaks your heart.
08/27/07
05:13:15 am, Categories: In Depth News, 170 words
U.K. file on Entebbe contains claim that Israel behind hijacking
Newly released British documents contain a claim by an unnamed
contact that the Shin Bet security service collaborated with the
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine to hijack the June
1976 flight from Israel that was diverted to Entebbe, Uganda, the
BBC reported Friday. Israel's rescue of the dozens of hostages
taken in the hijacking of the Air France plane, popularly known as
the Entebbe raid, is considered one of the most daring and
successful operations in Israeli history. Elite Israel Defense
Forces troops stormed the airport where the hostages, many of them
Israeli, were held and overpowered the hijackers and Ugandan
soldiers. Although the captors used the hijacking to demand the
release of Palestinians or Palestinian supporters, a British
government file on the incident quotes the unnamed source as
telling a British diplomat in Paris that Israel was behind the
hijacking. The claim is not known to be backed up by corroborating
evidence, and the file does not make it clear whether the British
government took the claim seriously.
Zionist Provocation
under False Flag
By George Pumphrey
http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirImages/Shamir/FalseFlag.htm
A successful false flag terrorist attack that discredited the cause
of the terrorists is the case of the Palestinian hijacking of the
Italian cruse ship, "Achille Lauro" in 1985. This operation was
ordered by the Israeli secret service and organized by their
Palestinian agents inside Palestinian terrorist organizations. The
details of the preparations are related by an insider to the upper
echelons of the Israeli secret services, Ari Ben-Menashe, former
special intelligence advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak
Shamir -in his book, "Profits of War."
"Radi [a Jordanian military officer who was unaware that he, since
some time had already been smuggling arms for the Israeli secret
service] went back to his drinking and womanizing and the money he
made selling arms for Pearson all drained away. At that very
vulnerable point, in 1978, Pearson stepped in again and offered
Radi a £200,000 loan. This time, Pearson made it quite clear to him
that the money was coming from an Israeli source. The desperate
Radi accepted the loan and was recruited to work for an
antiterrorist group in Israel run by Rafi Eitan. The group's
methods were rather unconventional, one could say heinous, but it
had operated successfully for years. An example is the case of the
"Palestinian" attack on the cruise ship Achille Lauro in 1985. That
was in fact, an Israeli "black" propaganda operation to show what a
deadly, cutthroat bunch the Palestinians were. The operation worked
like this: Eitan passed instructions to Radi that it was time for
the Palestinians to make an attack and do something cruel, though
no specifics were laid out. Radi passed orders on to Abu'l Abbas,
who, to follow such orders, was receiving millions from Israeli
intelligence officers posing as Sicilian dons. Abbas then gathered
a team to attack the cruise ship. The team was told to make it bad,
to show the world what lay in store for other unsuspecting citizens
if Palestinian demands were not met. As the world knows, the group
picked on an elderly American Jewish man [Leon Klinghoffer] in a
wheelchair, killed him, and threw his body overboard. They made
their point. But for Israel it was the best kind of anti-
Palestinian propaganda."
Interesting in this account is that in order to "show what a
deadly, cutthroat bunch the Palestinians were" Israelis activated
their agents among Palestinian terrorists to tell them to be
particularly brutal to Jews, as Jews. What Ben-Menashe does not
mention in this anecdote is the second objective sought by Israel:
convince Jews of the merits of Zionism and Israel as their sole
"protector" on the planet.
Ben-Menashe mentions the "success" that Eitan's methods were
having. A major aspect lending to this success is Israel's
credibility. One would not suspect that particularly the Israeli
government would be so cold-blooded toward Jews. Have them murdered
to be able to point at their adversaries and cry "anti-Semitism".
They feign indignation at the fate of Jews, who refuse to come live
in Israel, where they are "protected."
The international crisis created by the hijacking was designed to
capture headlines of the world's press for about a week. The
hijackers finally agreed to surrender to Egyptian authorities. (Abu
Abbas, who himself was not among the hijackers, helped negotiate
their surrender.) The German Sueddeutsche Zeitung, recently
furnished additional information of what happened:
"The Egyptians wanted to send Abbas and the hijackers to the PLO
headquarters in Tunis. The plane was intercepted in flight by US
fighters and forced to land in Sicily, where the hijackers were put
on trial.
The prosecution indicted the actual hijackers but Abu Abbas was
called merely as a "witness" and permitted to flee the country. The
US had made a demand for Abbas' extradition for murder of a US
citizen. An Italian court convicted Abbas in absentia to five life
terms. The US withdrew its extradition demand. And Abbas remained
free.
In 1998 Abu Abbas was given official permission of the Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanjahu to visit the Gaza Strip. Israeli
authorities justified the official permission with the fact that
Abbas had in 1996 already been allowed to visit the Gaza Strip to
participate in Palestinian parliamentary elections. He had also
voted at that time for the resolution legally eliminating the
clause from the PLO Charter calling for the destruction of Israel.
Israeli Supreme Court also protected Abbas by refusing the law suit
calling for Abbas' expulsion from Israel and being turned over to
the US brought by the Klinghoffer family."
The leader who had planned and organized the hijacking was sitting
in safety and on the enemy payroll. Those who carried out the
action believed they were "helping the cause". They had no idea
that the murder of an innocent, invalid reduced their "cause" in
the public's eye from a struggle against occupation and ethnic
cleansing to one against Jews per se, from a struggle for justice
for the Palestinians to an unjust "anti-Jewish" struggle. It would
take the Palestinian struggle a long time to overcome this setback.
The background of the Achille Lauro hijacking and the international
immunity enjoyed by Abu Abbas provides useful insight into the
workings of false flag terrorism. A close look at many of the
"suicide bombings" taking place in Israel, would also raise doubts
about many official versions of the attacks.
--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "muckblit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Pentagon front wall is not concrete. I think the plane was only
> doing 350mph, but again, four inches of stone facing and two
layers of
> brick is nothing.
>
> Maneuvers? That sounds like the high-g turn and rapid descent
disinfo.
> The plane flew up the river, appeared to use these high points as
> pylons: US Capitol, Washington Monument, Georgetown University
tower,
> then turned left in a many miles wide circle that could have
centered
> visually on the Rosslyn hill, pass to the right of a 15-20 story
> apartment building at the lowest possible altitude over Courthouse
> Road which runs along a ridge, fly along Columbia Pike and then into
> the Pentagon consistent with using a cloverleaf as a crosshairs
reticle.
>
> No rapid descent or high-g turn anywhere there, but if we can agree
> that those are myths, Atta would seem to be the only hijacker who
was
> an experienced professional commercial and military pilot capable of
> even flying a passenger jet. The possibilities of Global Hawk,
> emergency system autopilot, and remote control from the USAF plane
> overhead or helicopter following, cannot be excluded but do not
> matter. Oswald was only a patsy, but his links to Sturgis and Seal
> point to Goss and Bush and Lansdale and Shackley. Similarly, the
> hijackers trained in Porter Goss hometown, with links to Pan Am 103
> Lockerbie Air America Lebanese heroin and plane crash partners, to
> Saudi intel, and to Pak intel, and directly to Porter Goss
himself. We
> don't need the patsies after that. Maybe they are alive and well in
> Waziristan like Osama bin Laden.
>
> Do you focus on myths or facts, on what you can know or what you
> can't? Do you prefer wild goose chases and unprocessed speculation
> trailing off into nothing, or pursue along a trail of facts?
>
> Have you noticed that not one photograph on Jean-Pierre's site is
his,
> that you have seen nearly all elsewhere, and all are sourced
> elsewhere? How can Jean-Pierre be a strawman, when he is not even a
> source, and sources every detail? Attackin a strawman there falls in
> the same category as pimping initial speculations as factually
> qualified conclusion and passing along the government's small
plane no
> plane theory, which we heard from USAF propaganda officer Lt Col Art
> Holbo the morning of 9/11/2001 on DC area TV Eyewitness News at
> 10:52am and then Dick Eastman, Webfairy, and Arlene Johnson took up
> the Small Plane Big Lie.
>
> Are you with Lt Col Art Holbo and Arlene, Mark, on the small
plane Big
> Lie? Are you attacking Jean-Pierre as strawman so you can ignore his
> info which is all sourced elsewhere, not to himself? Are you
promoting
> the high-g turn myth, the strong Pentagon wall myth, the too small
> part myth, the backward letters myth, the wrong color primer
myth, or
> any other lazy-minded speculation accepted as fact while you apply a
> different standard to facts? Why the double standard with regard to
> unsupported speculation versus facts in evidence, Mark? Why the
double
> standard?
>
> -Bob
>
>
> --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "mark urban" mcurb@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > WHo flew the plane that made the Pentahit?
> >
> > The maneuvers involved were beyond the ability of the idiot
alleged to
> > have flown the plane.
> >
> > Can we agree that any arabs involved in 911 were at best patsies?
> >
> > Do you really think the extensive multiwall penetration of the
interior
> > walls of the Pentagon is typical?
> >
> > If the Plane did in fact hit the pentagon as alleged, then why
would the
> > surveillance cams footage not be released??
> >
> > Oh, and what the fu*k is that Mineta testimony all about,
"...The plane
> > is ten miles out, do the orders still stand?..." The minute this
> > testimony was given, some hard hitting brothers with a pliers
and a blow
> > torch should have come looking for Cheney.
> >
> > Here is a video of a 500mph jet hitting a concrete wall. notice
the
> > wings and their behavior on impact.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVYxlGJ64Xc
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVYxlGJ64Xc>
>
