Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Daniel Fort
A heated discussion can be beneficial--but please keep the tone friendly! I've been following Cinelerra since the early days. By early I mean when Adam Williams still granted interviews about Broadcast2000 and Michael Collins started building turn-key systems through Linux Media Arts. It wasn

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Herman Robak
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:09:27 +0200, Nicolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If for sure complaints are interesting when they contains details about the version, and the way to reproduce the bug, I still have to re-re-read Jordan's post to see any useful information... His complaints were of the ve

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Herman Robak
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:47:45 +0200, Nicolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jordan's post isn't constructive at all. One could resume it with two words: "cinelerra sucks". Did he give examples of situations where cinelerra crashes? No. It's just a succession of complains. Did he give information abou

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Nicolas
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 06:03:38PM +0200, Herman Robak wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:04:09 +0200, Nicolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hu!!! Nobody obliges you to use cinelerra. > > The 90s called and wanted that argument back. > > Nobody obliges me to use free software, either.

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread mskala
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Nicolas wrote: > Jordan's post isn't constructive at all. One could resume it with two > words: "cinelerra sucks". He did give a very specific suggestion for how to improve Cinelerra to address the problem he raised. The suggestion would be difficult to implement, but the pos

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Herman Robak
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:04:09 +0200, Nicolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hu!!! Nobody obliges you to use cinelerra. The 90s called and wanted that argument back. Nobody obliges me to use free software, either. But I feel pretty annoyed if I am forced to use payware. And for video ed

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Nicolas
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 05:50:51PM +0300, Heikki Repo wrote: > > > Hu!!! Nobody obliges you to use cinelerra. If you think it > > sucks, use something else and go complain somewhere else! > > > > Nicolas. > > > > Now, I'm not either a developer, but somehow this sort of attitude > alway

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Jordan Nash
Exactly. I love cinelerra. It's a really awesome piece of software. I really want to tell others about it, but I can't even take it seriously yet because it seems so unstable. :( - Jordan On Sun, 2006-07-30 at 17:50 +0300, Heikki Repo wrote: > > Hu!!! Nobody obliges you to use cinelerra.

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Heikki Repo
> Hu!!! Nobody obliges you to use cinelerra. If you think it > sucks, use something else and go complain somewhere else! > > Nicolas. > Now, I'm not either a developer, but somehow this sort of attitude always saddens me. As I see Jordan's comment, it isn't such some complaint, but a ve

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Nicolas
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 06:54:27AM -0400, Jordan Nash wrote: > I'm just a user, not a developer, but it seems to me like cinelerra > needs a good spring cleaning, at the least. > > As a user, I can't help but view cinelerra as a "You're lucky if you > actually get it to work" type of application.

Re: [CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Valentina Messeri
cinelerra needs to be redone, from the very core. Make the very core of cinelerra stable, and add features from there. ok, using cinelerra to do editing is quite hardalthough i do that (100% no: win no mac at all)... ..loosing lots of time, that's true, but i assume running freeso

[CinCVS] Start Over From (Almost) Scratch?

2006-07-30 Thread Jordan Nash
I'm just a user, not a developer, but it seems to me like cinelerra needs a good spring cleaning, at the least. As a user, I can't help but view cinelerra as a "You're lucky if you actually get it to work" type of application. There are too many unstable features, especially for a 2.* release. It