RE: OT -- BGP scalability [7:5468]

2001-05-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Nice piece of writing, Howard. > >There is a point you make ( English commons ) which sounds an awful lot like >"democracy lasts only until the participants realize they can vote >themselves privileges, at which point it turns quickly to anarchy" > paraphrased badly, I'm sure ) De Toqueville sa

Re: OT -- BGP scalability [7:5468]

2001-05-23 Thread Jason Roysdon
Being in California, I get to see my UPSes tested a lot if I like it or not. In my limited global BGP experience, one problem is the limitations on Independent, Portable IP space. If ARIN is unwilling to assign less than a /20, then you're forced to use Provider non-Portable IP space. Furthermo

Re: OT -- BGP scalability [7:5468]

2001-05-22 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
(with a red face, reconstructing my original response. We're having a violent thunderstorm, and the power went out. I saved a lot of things, but trusted my UPS. Unfortunately, the UPS is much more helpful when the CPU is plugged into one of the battery backup outlets, not a surge protector ou

Re: OT -- BGP scalability [7:5468]

2001-05-22 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Well, you're preaching to the choir, but I have a couple comments in line nonetheless. A really technical discussion would require more knowledge of statistics, queuing theory, etc., than I have. But it can't hurt to discuss the issues at a high level also. At 05:44 PM 5/22/01, John Hardman wr

Re: OT -- BGP scalability [7:5468]

2001-05-22 Thread John Hardman
Hi Keep in mind that many people site the phone as a highly available system, but do you know that it is highly available? People get the impression that the phone system is very reliable because they are used to hearing a dial tone when they pick it up. But most people are not on the phone 24x7

Re: BGP scalability [7:5468]

2001-05-22 Thread John Neiberger
>Aside from Priscilla (not Geoff Huston): What if the phone system had >evolved this way? How many companies have redundant trunk lines? Don't we >just assume that the "phone company" will always provide service? We don't >multihome to the phone system, (do we?) [Warning: Slightly OT] Actuall

BGP scalability [7:5468]

2001-05-22 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
While we're on the subject of scalability, check out this fascinating article by Geoff Huston on BGP scalability. He studied the effects of a denser, more meshed edge of the Internet (due to small networks increasingly multihoming) on the growth of the BGP routing table. He comments that servi