This one is just too juicy to pass up :-)

   The concise question is "Why would you use linux/freebsd or an appliance
based on
them instead of purchasing a real router?"


  Cisco rules the backbone, they do enough on lan switching to get my vote
their, and
their Aironet radios are OK if you're abusing 802.11b by running it as a
wireless
internet provider but ...

  CISCO KNOWS SQUAT ABOUT ROUTER/WIRELESS INTEGRATION!


  There, I've said it. Detaled proof of concept is below:


  Lets consider a network I recently installed. I've got a tower on a
building on a
bluff that overlooks a valley where there is no DSL service. On the opposite
side of
the valley I have another tower on a building on a bluff. The two towers are
separated
by about three miles. Some sites in the valley can see one side, some can
see the
other, neither site would cover the whole valley properly.

  The building closest to my  head end  has an elevator shaft on top with my
small
tower bolted to the side. There is room for a good sized 19" cabinet and AC
power. The
building on the opposite side of the valley has a beautiful 50' tower on top
but the
only facilties on the roof are a NEMA outdoor enclosure. The NEMA enclosure
can take a
couple of radios and maybe a small hub but would not take any router larger
than a
1605.

  So, this one building has a backhaul link, it has a customer cell, it
feeds the cell
across the valley, and I have two other customers attached to this location
that
received dedicated point to point links for a total of one cell and four
point to point
wireless links. There is also a wired link to our customers in the building.

 From the layer three perspective this location has four /29s used for point
to point
(why not /30s? you tell me, but ponder the wonder of VLANs and OSPF first
:-] ), one
/27 that is the customer cell, and a /29 for the wired customers.

  How would you build a network with six total subnets, one wireless cell,
and four
point to point links, using only Cisco equipment? This is the parts list
with estimated
pricing:

Cisco 2620             $1500
Catalyst 1912          $300
Aironet AP352          $650
four x WGB352          $1800
total                  $4250

  Now consider the alternative - a $400 PC, a $50 flash card, $200 for a
linux based
wireless capable OS from http://www.mikrotik.com, two PCI Aironet cards
($350) and a
Dlink quad port ethernet card ($100). $1100 total

 I still needed the $650 AP and one external $450 WGB352 - $1100 for this.


  So, for $2200 I got the effect of purchasing $4250 of refurbished Cisco
gear.


   Now lets look at the soft benefits of MikroTik vs IOS:

Feature                  MikroTik                IOS
ssh                      yes                            with provider image
OSPF                     yes                            yes
PPTP server              yes                            not that I can find
PPPoE server             yes                            yes, clumsy
rate shape PPPoE client  bit rate per user              nope, just IOS
traffic controls

NAT                      yes                            yes
processor                AMD 1 gig                      40 MHz PPC
memory                   256 meg                        max out at 64 meg
firewall                 ipchains(cool)                 clumsy access lists
user interface           killer CLI                     clumsy CLI
annual support           $500 or so including aironet   about 3X MT costs


 Over a three year period the MikroTik box is going to cost me about one
fourth of what
I'd pay for a minimal Cisco solution and the performance of the MT is on par
with a
7206 /w an NPE300.


 Now there are a lot of reasons to prefer Cisco in the backbone over
MikroTik, but I'm
not going to say anything :-) You'll just have to download the free eval of
MikroTik
and make it work with your Cisco lab if you want to know ...





> I always see people asking for Linux/Unix sims for BGP
> or just to simulate a router in General. I for the life of me can't
> figure out why a Linux router could be better than a 2501 and
> it would cost me more to build a Linux box. I see the same with




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