At 1:40 AM +0000 8/3/03, " Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter " wrote:
>""Howard C. Berkowitz""  wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  At 3:35 PM +0000 8/2/03, Charles Cthulhu Riley wrote:
>>  >Less IP addresses used?
>>
>>  Typically, the advantage of P2P is that you can impose individual
>>  policies on each spoke. A basic such example would be bandwidth
>>  matching the CIR if all CIR's are not the same.  Spoke-specific
>>  access lists would be another.  Routing configuration generally is
>>  easier.
>>
>>  You also get finer granularity for SNMP, accounting, etc.
>>
>>  P2M might slightly conserve IP addresses, but, more significantly, it
>>  conserves Interface Descriptor Blocks (IDB) and interface buffers in
>>  the IOS.  In some respects, it's more intuitive, although the routing
>>  configuration is more complex.
>
>
>This was probably an important issue several IOS versions ago. These days,
>with limits in the thousands ( maybe up to 10,000? ) descriptor blocks
>available, even on the lowly 2501, this is no longer an issue.
>
>As I once said in another lifetime, changes in hardware and software have
>led to less concern with traditional design issues that were centered around
>scarce resources.

Agreed that the IDB limit is not the issue with appropriate releases. 
When you consider interface buffers are allocated to each 
subinterface, however, that's a different memory impact on a small 
router.  Admittedly, that isn't as major with the newer platforms. On 
a 2501 with 2MB shared RAM (where the buffers go), it's major.

>
>If I can trust the Cisco writings on the topic, trhe more modern QoS
>mechanisms have even led to more effective use of WAN bandwidth, which has
>continued to be the real bottleneck in networking.

That bottleneck, as you know, isn't necessarily absolute bandwidth, 
but queueing delay in access to bandwidth by latency-sensitive 
applications.

>Tools such as RED, WRED,
>and tail drop have helped alleviate the problems associated with the
>phenomenon of global synchronization. I suspect the work of the IETF and
>queueing theory researchers over the past decade of so have led to a more
>effective use of bandwidth, meaning that more data can use the same link. If
>I understand correctly.




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