----- Original Message -----
From: "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> Don't feel bad. You just have to persevere that's all. When you try for a
> job, you should list your skills, what you KNOW. When you go for an
> interview, and if they ask you something that you do not know tell them.
> Since you do have routers you can get some hands-on, you just have to
> enhance your skills, and they will get better with time. Look at it this
> way, when you learn to play an instrument the more you practice the better
> you get, and when you practice a lot, like to the point when you get sick
of
> it, you can play it in your sleep.
> A lot of people feel that people who are certified without experience are
> less qualified, but I feel that when you get certified it definitely
proves
> that you: (1) Understand the material, and (2)you know how to perform
> certain configurations. But in the real world, you need to know how and
when
> to use different configurations and how to make them work with other
> technologies.
> But being certified is definitely a plus. Your only handicap is that, you
do
> not know certain things. For instance, let's say you are working with a T1
> line on your serial interface, and it's not up and running, how do you
> troubleshoot it, in fact what would be the first thing you would do? Now
to
> a CCNA (or CCNP, for that matter) with no experience, he would probrably
be
> perplexed, but with something like that, the interviewer would figure that
> you don't know anything. (Which really is not your problem but his. :0)
> To anyone just starting out, I strongly suggest that you get to know
people
> who are working in the field, and find out what are the most marketable
> skills. Even when you are going on the interview, and it seems like it
isn't
> going well and you think you might not get the job, ask the interviewer
for
> some suggestions. Ask him how he got started, and what would he suggest
for
> a newcomer to do.
> Bottom line is this; the industry is starving. A few places, are smart and
> are willing to train, but for the most part, schedules are so tight that
the
> companies want you to be able to work on your own from day one. Hence the
> paper certification. In a perfect world once you get certified, someone
> would take you under his wing, and help you enhance your skills; but this
is
> not a perfect world, this is a "DOG EAT DOG" world. Your playing with the
> big boy's now.
> All-in-all you are on the right track, always remember this saying,
> "Forwards ever, backwards never". No matter what anyone say's, DO NOT GO
> BACK and start over, (ie. get your A+, or CNA). Just keep moving forward.
> I have heard of one "paper CCIE" who is only 23 yrs. old. He had a friend
> who had a home lab, he banged away on the equipment, and was able to make
> heads and tails of the material, and successfully PASSED the CCIE, and is
> currently working. Can you imagine how good he will be in XX amount of
> years?
> So stay by the things that you have learned and you will get better, get
> your CCNP, but don't market yourself as a CCNP, just put CCNA on your
> resume, and if you get the job THEN say I've got my CCNP. It's always a
> little better to be over qualified.
> Hope I have helped
> Ty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
>
>
> > the biggest problem I have, is finding a job where I can gain
experience
> > with cisco routers. I have had 3 prior jobs dealing with PC's and
> internet
> > tech support but it's pretty tough to get my foot in the door with just
a
> > CCNA. My goal here is to just be able to get a job, and what I'm
> wondering
> > is if a CCNP will land me one, because it seems like the ccna wont
really
> > help much here. Not necessarily one that will pay me a good lump but
one
> > where I can at least start to get some experience with routers.
currently
> I
> > only have a 2501 here at home that my parents got for me.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dollard Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'K Sacca'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:24 AM
> > Subject: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> >
> >
> > Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco)
> >
> > the other ken, yammy,
> > im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do
> > something stupid.
> > DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined
> microsoft
> > certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP.
on
> > top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have
> > work experinence and get real life exposure to networking.
> > i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd
love
> to
> > see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl
> think
> > its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and
> > demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks
with
> > problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know,
> if
> > cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can
> > revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting
> experience,
> > your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll
wa
> > ste less time on your own doing so.
> > Morgan
> > PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i
> > guarantee it wont look pretty in the end.
> > I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking
about,
> > and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26
> > > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Objet: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2
> > > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off
> > > my resume everywhere. I received a call from Cisco,
> > > as they were interested in my background. I passed
> > > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to
> > > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm now
> > > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this job,
> > > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop
> > > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. I
> > > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to
> > > Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft.
> > > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable
> > > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with
> > > seven routers.
> > >
> > > Good Luck.
> > > Ken
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu...
> > > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without
> > > > prior work experience
> > > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with
> > > > my girfriend. She
> > > > thinks that job experience is more important, and
> > > > that I should be looking
> > > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand,
> > > > don't think I can find much
> > > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a
> > > > CCNP, but I'm not quite
> > > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any
> > > > help would be
> > > > appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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