OK you bad boys and girls, I put the router on line. And I am also at the chat site http://www.allnetllc.net/chat/ciscochat.htm but I can't guarantee that I will be readily available. Something about a job and a paycheck. Any case, at present, the address is 64.220.150.9 Now before you all go whoa!!! open router, all right to play!!!! recall that 1) you have to have IPSec configured on your side 2) I have to configure peering for your ip on my side, 3) you need the preshared key, and 4) to telnet in you have to know the login I have sent certain information to those who contacted me off line. But to test, I still need your ip. So that in mind, who wants to play? Chuck Please check out my new footers for a new age 1) Altruism http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/HungerSite Please help feed hungry people worldwide. A few seconds a day can make a difference to many people 2) Shameless Hucksterism www.certificationzone.com An excellent study focal point for all levels of certification, as well as the attainment of internetworking expertise. Use my name when you register. You get good study material and I get extra time ___________________________________ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]