Andy, Try the following for the 7-to-5 aggregate translation which can also be converted to a filter by setting the "restrict" knob at the end: [edit protocols ospf area 0.0.0.10] nssa { area-range 10.0.0.0/8; } } http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/junos42/swconfig-routing42/html/ospf-co nfig6.html I am curious, why don't people take Juniper questions to the Juniper Groupstudy news group? I know for a fact that a number of folks within Juniper lurk on that newsgroup but not on the Cisco one. -Julian ""Andy Harding"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... : ** excuse the change of email and name - just changed provider : : on a Juniper: : : [edit protocols ospf] : root@router# show : export type-5-suppress; : : : : area 0.0.0.10 { : area-range 172.16.0.0/16; : : } : : [edit policy-options] : root@router# show : policy-statement type-5-suppress { : term area-0-suppress { : from { : protocol ospf; : area 0.0.0.10; : external; : } : to { : protocol ospf; : area 0.0.0.0; : } : then reject; : } : then accept; : } : : I would groom out the externals from being advertised across the area : boundary as per above, then permit anything else to be processed as normal : with an area-range statement to summarize. : : I'm interested in how one might summarize at the type-7 to type-5 : translation at an NSSA border. Do you have the command(s) to hand? : : thanks : : Andy : : Peter Van Oene wrote on July 19, 2001 at 12:56 AM: : : : Ok, good scenario. : : Assuming your network has grown to a point where type 5's are stressing the : AS, some scaling effort must take place. There are a number of poorly : scaling cludges to this type of scenario outside of OSPF, but I've seen NSSA : areas used here with some success. The net result is that your individual : areas have no awareness of the more specifics in other areas which isn't bad : assuming your aggregation strategy is clean as they can simply follow the : aggregates put out by the ASBRs. Within the area, the type 7's provide : enough info for intra area routers to make informed decisions re paths out : toward the customer networks. Your backbone will naturally see all external : info which shouldn't be an issue as a mid size ISP should have some good : routers therein. : : The key point is again that type 5's are unmodified at area borders. They : in fact flood untouched throughout the AS. Hence, unlike normal summarizes, : 5's aren't repackaged at each ABR before they hit other areas. For that : reason, you cannot control their flooding scope once they hit the domain : without using area modifications like stubinness. Interestingly, due to : type 7's needing to be converted to 5's by ABR's, they are repackaged before : entering the backbone and thus can be summarized via area-range like : commands at ABR's. Another reason why this is a viable solution to your : situation. : : I'm also curious how you can do this with a Juniper? Can you provide a : quick outline? : : Thanks : : Peter : : : *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** : : On 7/18/2001 at 4:54 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : >okay, let me give you a scenario: : > : >say you have a mid-sized ISP network - a size such that it's not really : >worth going with confederations, etc. : > : >say that you have a couple of PoPs and a couple of colo/hosting centres. : > : >let's suppose that we want to run an area0 backbone between the sites, and : >have the infrastructure of each site be an OSPF area. : > : >a bunch of your customers want to multi-home within a particular location : >to : >multiple switches/routers, and since you don't really want the customer to : >participate in your IGP (auughhh) you have to statically route them, and : >redistribute the routes within the area. summarizing lsa type-5s at each : >ASBR is out, as a customer could drop their uplink to that ASBR, without : >the : >summarizing ASBR dropping the aggregate which would kinda kill their : >traffic : >- good ol' CEF keeps a-load-balancing half the traffic to the router : >without : >a route... ;-) : > : >hence, this is why I want full specifics intra-area, and aggregate-only : >inter-area. : > : >I could do it on a Juniper dammit... : > : >take care :-) : > : >Andy : > : >Peter Van Oene wrote on July 18, 2001 at 9:14 PM: : > : >Ahh, I did indeed mean to suggest that you filter at the ingress ASBR (the : >one that creates the type 5 in the first place) Type 5's are unmodified : >throughout the AS and thus there is no mechanism within the protocol to : >control their flow between areas. However, I'm confused as to why you need : : >the full specifics advertised to the area and only the summary to the rest : >of the AS. Even if you have multiple customer networks attached to the : >ASBR, you are still going to pull traffic destined toward them to the ASBR : >via the aggregate. What are you gaining by not using the summary address : >command on the ASBR? : > : > : >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** : > : >On 7/18/2001 at 3:34 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : > : >>hi all, : >> : >>thanks for all the replies - gave me some stuff to chew over : >> : >>have been looking into this some more - it's still bugging me. : >> : >>my investigations revealed: : >> : >>* making the area stub or total-stub will not work as type-5s are not : >>permitted in the area. all routers set E=0 in the options field to denote : >>stub, and won't talk to non-stub neighbors. no fooling them apparently... : >> : >>* summary-address will only summarize external routes originated on that : >>local router - hence cannot use to summarize for non-local type-5s : >> : >>I cannot believe that it is not possible to do something as simple as this : >>without resorting to multiple OSPF instances and redistributing between : >>them!! : >> : >>cheers : >> : >>Andy : >> : >>Peter Van Oene wrote on July 13, 2001 at 6:43 PM: : >> : >> : >>> Making the area stub will explicitly deny the use of type 4/5 in the : >>area, : >>> hence, this should not work. Summarization at the ABR would make the : >>most : >>> sense to me. Odd that it doesn't seem to work. : >>> : >>> pete : >>> : >>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** : >>> : >>> On 7/12/2001 at 6:40 PM John Neiberger wrote: : >>> : >>> >Could you accomplish this by making the area containing the ASBR a : >>> >stubby area? IIRC, you can put an ASBR inside a stubby area but the : >>> >Type-5 LSAs will not leave the area. I'm not sure about that, but I'd : >>> >swear I read that somewhere recently. : >>> > : >>> >Okay, I just checked this in Giles, 2nd edition. According to him, the : >>> >above is true. But who knows if it works in the real world. : >>> > : >>> >Good luck! : >>> > : >>> >John : >>> > : >>> >>>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" : >>> > 7/12/01 1:58:11 PM >>> : >>> >hi all, : >>> > : >>> >have a problem that has been nagging at me for a good long time now... : >>> > : >>> >say you have a pair of ABRs sitting at an OSPF area boundary, and an : >>> >ASBR is : >>> >originating Type-5 LSAs from inside the non-backbone area. Is there an : >>> >easy : >>> >way to suppress the propagation of the type-5s outside the area? I : >>> >would : >>> >have a range statement on the ABRs to advertise the area aggregate, I : >>> >just : >>> >want to suppress the more specifics. : >>> > : >>> >I have tried using 'distribute-list out ' which would do it for : >>> >me, but for some reason IOS won't allow this with OSPF: : >>> > : >>> >router(config)#router os 1 : >>> >router(config-router)#distribute-list 1 out FastEthernet 0/0 : >>> >% Interface not allowed with OUT for OSPF : >>> >router(config-router)# : >>> > : >>> >I suppose that allowing this could potentially screw up routing if : >>> >done : >>> >without some care, but JunOS lets you do exactly this sort of thing - : >>> >you : >>> >can produce some wacky policies, but at least you have the option ;-) : >>> > : >>> >btw - I know I could prolly do this with multiple OSPF instances and : >>> >redistribute between them, but I *really* don't want to get into this : >>> >level : >>> >of complexity. : >>> > : >>> >thanks in advance - this one has been driving me mad : >>> > : >>> >Andy : : : : : Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=12917&t=12917 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]