hey folks no flames huh . I know it's real world but it will help me out and this is a real project so we can all learn from this. once I finish the proposal I will throw it on a web site for all to see Ok all the design wannabes Customer has TI 2501 old Vinca T1 ds/csu 36 ports ( only used 26 ports) (old hubs and junk) moving to new location has mail server Apps server file server (To be added) few printers ( most local to the machines) total of 4 on network 20 desktops with 10/100 nics NT environment TCP/IP No current issues regarding network everyone uses the net OK and the speed is fine. moving to a new building which will have 36 ports in the walls ++++++++++++++++++ Customer wants Switched environment Needs remote secure dialup for 2 folks but may in the future have a few more maybe 6 to 12 months down the road 12 months or more may have another remote location maybe 2 Freaked out on security and want heavy duty firewall solution . internet access. Talk of VOIP but just talk for now.. Think about VIOP to big client in Switzerland max time about 2 hours a day. 2621 Router 1 CISCO2621 Smart Net 8x5 4 hour 1 CON-SNTP-PKG5 T1 module 1 WIC-1DSU-T1= IP/FW IOS 1 CD26-CHL-12.0.7= Misc cables and adapters 16 meg Dram upgrade MEM2600-16D PIX 515R includes (2) 10/100 ports PIX-515-R-BUN Smart Net 8x5 4 hour CON-SNTE-PKG10 Cisco Secure VPN Client VPN-SW-DES-100= Catalyst 3548 XL Switch 1 WS-C3548-XL-A WS-C3548-XL-EN Smart Net 8x5 4 hour 1 CON-SNTE-PKG6 Patch cables 96 Cat 6 to be installed and 48 port block on rack Money is NOT the first issue here long term capabilty is tho as Managment see IT infrastructure as an investment in the future. Of coure the CFO sees otherwise but the CEO will sign the check (grin) the VOIP deal would be more cost effective to use existing pots lines as the BW cost would choke . long distance for couple of hours a day is fairly cheap But I want a router that we can grow to if the other office come online cause we may use VIOP there . I didnt include modems in the router cause the cost of the 8 port card is high and when the need is there we can always add it. But give a me good reason and I could add it ????? the switch give a 25% expansion capabilty with no change. Pix is way overkill but the customer want the best he can get ..and in the big picture the 5k or so is not an issue for security A couple of modems dialing up RAS to NT Qusetions I have Do I need the IP IOS with firewall with a PIX box ?? What have I missed ?? be gentle it's my first quote the other 3 proposals I wrote all got accepted (grin) so I am on a roll here.. I know I could have uses the 2501 but it still would not have solved the VOIP issue and had no expandability and hey I need it for my LAB (grin) Please CC your replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I will be on the move today Oz ___________________________________ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]