At 1:33 PM +0000 12/19/02, Juan Blanco wrote:
>Team,
>I think is time to shift gears...but I will give my two cents.......
>The question is....What do you want to do for the rest of your life......Do
>you want to be the Boss or you want to be boss around...

Actually, if you want to be a boss, an MBA may be more useful than a 
PhD. PhD's tend to be independent contributors or members of ad hoc 
teams.  When I was at Nortel's R&D lab, my job description called for 
a doctorate "or equivalent."  In practice, I worked principally with 
two other researchers and substantially with about five more (in the 
US, UK, and Sweden). One of the researchers was really good at 
project management, but wasn't in any sense the group leader.  Our 
official manager was in Canada.

>IMO a PHD/MS is a LIFE TIME investment that any person will have for the
>rest of his/her life, it is the best investment a person can make. It does
>not matter where
>you go (any country) your title will still valid....who cares how old you
>become your title will still valid....
>
>Any certification is valid and valuable as long as the Technology or product
>related to that certification is valid......I considered a CCIE the PHD/MS
>of networking and
>the reason is because you have to learn many technology and understand it
>very well in order for you to pass the written and them you have to spend at
>least 4 hours a
>day in for a very long timer in order for you to put to practice all the
>theory that learn and the take the lab (which most people does not make it
>the first time). It sound like the same path to become a CCIE is need to
>become a PHD/MS. If CCIE were that easy why we don't have to many CCIE's
>available is the same thing with a PHD/MS why we don't have many peoples
>with a PHD/MS.


While many people are effective researchers, one of the things a PhD 
establishes is an ability to "think outside the box" and do original 
research, founded on sound theory.  Contrast this with not being able 
to use static routes in the lab.  Indeed, the lab may be closer to 
postgraduate medical education, where, at least in the early stages, 
you need to demonstrate you can take out an appendix or manage a 
heart attack.  In the later stages, however, you may be faced with 
conditions or combinations of conditions that NO ONE has ever seen 
before, yet you still have to work out a strategy.

These relate to networking product design or large-scale network 
architecture rather than network support.

>
>Finally, I will say that any person should have a least BS, and then any
>certification.....particular a CCIE.......I believe that CISCO has done a
>great job with the CCIE program and they should continue to improve it for
>the better.....




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