I apologize did not mean to revive the dead, I just hate that they don't do
anything about it.
""Bradley J. Wilson""  wrote in message
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> I agree whole-heartedly, but I really don't want to have to wade through a
> bunch of "paper certs suck" postings on this newsgroup again!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JC
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:28 PM
> Subject: Passing Exams without a lab!! Read this its a thought [7:9006]
>
>
> Hello,
>
>     I just couldn't resist stating this on the groupstudy, please respond
> with your feelings on this matter.  I started studying for my CCNA back in
> October of last year.  I was lazy so I took my time and passed the test in
> December of last year.  I got lazy for a while and then I began studying
for
> my CCNP in April.  at the end of May I took my certification tests, my
goal
> was to take:
>
> 1) CCNP Foundation Exam 2.0
> 2) CCNP CIT 2.0 Exam
> 3) CCDA Exam
> 4) CCDP Exam
>
>     Within a two week time frame I passed all of these exams.  What is my
> point, I'm dissapointed that I was able to pass all of these exams in two
> weeks.  The state of certification today stinks in my opinion.  They offer
> you multiple choice exams, why?  So many people are getting certified in
> this and certified in that, that after awhile our certs will be of no
value.
> The only reason the CCIE is the almighty is because you have to take a lab
> to pass it.  Why don't they require everyone to take a lab test for all
> levels of tests.  It does not have to be a full blown equipment lab but
why
> can't the tests be virtual in nature.  Setup a virtual lab test sorta like
> the Sybex CCNA simulator setup, and make people enter some crucial
commands
> by memory or fill in the blank.  Specify the connector that should be
> attached to this interface, configure the CSU, etc... etc...  See, the
> problem is, I've studied for multiple choice tests all of my life, In
> college you took the same multiple choice tests, however every once in a
> while you had to be creative and pass an essay exam which truly tested
your
> ability to know the process and know the facts.  I realize it is easier to
> write a multiple choice exam and make money, but from our perspective it
> cheats us.  The problem is that I studied my ass off to pass the tests,
but
> a lot of the information you study for a multiple choice test leaves your
> head instantaneously.  If all Certification tests reguardless of level
> included a lab portion it would test our ability to be creative with a
> design on a design exam, or test our troubleshooting knowledge on a
> troubleshooting exam, not merely remember a fact.
>     I owe a lot to certifications because they have helped my career
along,
> but in the same vein I still can't survive without my degree.  The
> credibility of exams these days is diminishing along with the economy.  As
> long as it is a "dog eat- dog world" as we have always known it to be, we
> are all in trouble.  The only people that stand to make money off of us by
> writing multiple choice exams are the vendors of the equipment and those
who
> train us.  W are getting ripped off here guys and there will never be an
end
> to the price increases on exams and labs if we don't work to improve the
> quality of the exams that are given.  If everyone can pass these exams
> without ever touching any equipment then these certifications mean
nothing.
> My heart tells me that the CCIE is the most coveted by all because it
> challenges your true ability to function in a real world scenario, and not
> everyone has it because their is a lab portion which truly tests our
skills
> not just our memorization ability.  Have you ever worked with the guy who
> knows everything, yet you study for all those certifications and you still
> feel completely inferior around him.  Sure your title says "CC this and MC
> that," but while your studying, the know it all veteran with no
> certifications is basically running the business by keeping the network
> running, keeping management happy, keeping customers happy, and most of
all
> contributing to the profitability of the company.
>     This is not meant to be a cut on any of us networkers, and I'm not
> saying I'm any different then the rest.  However, my goal on
certifications
> has changed dramatically.  If there is not a lab component I'm not
> interested.  We have to fight for the value of our studies, if not then we
> will all be searching for a new line of work.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> JC




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