Mr. Gragido: I greatly admire your service as a US Marine.I respect a man who has that type of courage and will to serve and who will give his life for his country and his comrades. You are obviously a person of great honor and integrity. But this is not like past Wars, when the enemy was Huge and terrificly strong and Evil and a sizeable solid nation that could literally land thousands of troops and tanks on US territory and march down Main Street in any town. In the 40's, it was very easy to fear Germany and Japan. At no time did the world need men like you more than in those huge and terrifying wars. This time,the enemy has no country or troops. He comes from a land where all the people are starving and their lifespan is 40. And he is not a nation, but an invisible mystical calling. Of the total people in Afghansistan, 99.9 percent are innocent people eating Mud for dinner. It makes no sense to slaughter them. The irony is most of the evil ones number only in the thousands at most. And they are dispersed throughout the Arab world. And the more you kill them, the more martyrs arise.Believe it or not, the US was the country who taught them to fight Russia. Now they are unemployed warriors, no different than the punks on the street corner looking for trouble. Please don't forget the US accidentally shot down the Vicennes and backs Israel which has sown quite a bit of damage / destruction in the Middle East. THINK SMART? Either get out of the Middle East and leave them alone, or give them Foreign Aid and develop them into prosperous nations. The time for war on this Planet is over. If one of these groups gets an Atomic Bomb they will not hesitate to use it on Manhattan. I am sure they will in 15 years or less. I will always shed tears for the 6000 dead last Tuesday. But the way to remeber them is to promote peace and not war.If we dont turn our cheek and seek to negotiate peace and dialogue with them our planet will be a big empty Rock in 15 years. Respectfully, Richard Chang -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Gragido Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:20173] As a former United States Marine and one whom may well soon be called upon to once again ensure the liberty, freedom and safety of the United States I feel that Heather has brought up a valid point. The tragedy that occurred on Tuesday does indeed and will no doubt live on in our memories just as Pearl Harbor did in the memories of an an earlier generation. I feel though that it is not only important but necessary to curtail the hostility that some individuals are projecting towards a mass group. Here, in the United States of America, freedom and courage abound and have done so for generations. If we were to look back upon our nation and its history, I am sure that we would see that those who fought, bled and died for our nation as well as for others, were a splendid reminder of the diversity that is America---in race, creed and religion. My heart and prayers are with the nation and specifically with the families and friends of those individuals who were the victims of this act of cowardice. This being the case I encourage our nation to be strong and to not fall victim to mass hysteria by casting blame for the acts of a few onto a the masses. That being said, good luck and God Speed to all! And to all of my brothers in the United States Marine Corps....Semper Fi! Will -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Buri, Heather L. Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19845] I really had not intended to post anymore on non-Cisco topics on the list today since I feel I did enough of that yesterday, but I feel this cannot go without a response. Please people, try to contain and direct your anger to the individuals involved in this act. While they may have been of Muslim faith (albeit an extreme sect) PLEASE remember that not all Muslims share the views of a few radicals. I would hate to see hate-crimes against a religious group because of this. Lets take it back to Cisco now. Heather > -----Original Message----- > From: hal9001 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our > arrogance' [7:19819] > > Don't you mean the CULT of ALLAH......any so called religion that > encourages > this mayhem is a one way ticket to hell. Its nothing more than an evil > cult! > > Karl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Mairs" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:20 AM > Subject: RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' > [7:19726] > > > > aaammen! > > > > Allah be paved! > > > > > > --- ed smith wrote: > > > Respectfully I would say,,, let people blow some > > > steam off! Who the hell > > > cares about CISCO right now? > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > >From: "Thad Gaston" >To: "ed smith" , >Subject: RE: > > > 'It's not the US > > > they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19679] > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep > > > 2001 17:59:42 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: > > > from [12.109.97.147] by > > > hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > > MHotMailBD69252000344136E8170C6D619313EB0; Wed, 12 > > > Sep 2001 14:56:49 > > > -0700 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 12 Sep 2001 > > > 14:57:36 -0700 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange > > > V6.0.4417.0 >content-class: > > > urn:content-classes:message >Message-ID: > > > > > > >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: > > > >Thread-Topic: 'It's not the US > > > they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19679] > > > >Thread-Index: > > > AcE71YI1yqc/7joNR3ugD6ApyYlA6wAAC/Bg > >All, > >I > > > would discourage any > > > further post regarding this topic as it becoming > > > >more and more useless > > > and distracting. None of our sentiments are going > > > >to bring back the > > > lives of those that have passed on nor bring about > > > the >justice the we > > > all would like to see. Let's keep the list on track > > > and >get back to what > > > this list is intended for. > >Regards, > >Thad > > > Gaston > >-----Original > > > Message----- >From: ed smith > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: > > > Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:36 PM >To: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: > > > Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our > > > arrogance' >[7:19679] > > > > > >That is the biggest load of crap I've ever > > > heard!!!!! >The people we > > > see dancing in the streets of Palestine are > > > brainwashed! > >The common > > > person in the middle east would give anything to > > > come and >live in >the > > > U.S. and get out of their hell hole they call home. > > > Believe me, I >did 2 > > > >years there, it sucks!!! Nothing worth keeping in > > > that part of the > > > >World. > >I don't see all those God forsaken > > > countries having a problem > > > with >people >wanting to immigrate there! > >If they > > > believe they are > > > God's chosen people, why didn't he make them >from > > > >Hawaii, or > > > Switzerland, or some other nice part of this World? > > > > >They don't have > > > the open airways or free flow of information to make > > > >logical >decisions. > > > They only believe what their ignorant and jealous > > > leaders >tell >them. > > > > >They wanted a "Holy War" I think they have it,,,,,, > > > > Holy @!#$ Ahkmed, > > > here comes a Tomahawk missile! > Holy @!#$ Al-@!#$, > > > here comes a flights > > > of F-15's!!! > Holy @!#$ Al-Khobar, I think I'm > > > going to see Allah! > > > > >Wait and see,,,, brings new meaning to "bombs > > > bursting in air". > >YOU > > > SEEM TWISTED, according to your last email anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get > > > your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ===== > > John L. 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