Okay here we go again with this thread .....where does it end. Enough already!! >From: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'B J'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:10:32 -0700 > >The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major??? >What >are you be smoking? You are wrong wrong wrong. A degree is far more >valuable >than a vender specific certification. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: B J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:52 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX > > > The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major in >Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc. Do you really >think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being >math, than your daughters first grade teacher? > Bottom line: Remember this: As long as HR employees are hired because >they are great looking babes, they will have no clue on talent. Certs give >them something tangible and simple that they can understand. Degrees do the >same. > A couple more points: I hear people say that certifications are >expensive > >you best study hard before paying. They are not. Take them 3 or 4 times >each, pay your $300 or $400 and enjoy your huge $5000+ raise and job >security. Don't postpone it. People a class in Art Appreciation at a >"quality university" is going to run you $300 to $400 and is worthless by >their own admission. You need the whole degree. > ...and yes. CCIE's will triple. There were no books. Now there are. >Books make tests easy. That is what make Juniper's test so hard now. You >can't read the 12 to 15 they have listed as easily as you can one Sybex >book > >that is designed around the exam. > Finally, if you are very knowledgeable and dislike "paper certs". >Please >put out a book that gets paper people up to par. Something to read after >the exam and before your first interview. I think it would be very helpful >to many, who have a desire but lack an entire network at home. Plus, if you >think people are gaining an edge on you because of certs. You'll be >"Published". That puts you in the upper-diety range. You can live a >lifetime on that. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:40 AM >Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply > > > >Has anyone noticed that people arguing the most that certs dont matter >are > >the ones that haven't 'bothered' to get them. > > > >I know that isn't true for everyone... so don't flame me but... see where > >generalities get you! How shortsited can you be to simply make a blanket > >statement... certs don't prove anything... geez. > > > >Scott M. Baron > >CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM > >To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply > > > > > >"certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with that > >statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the >subject > >matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to become > >more knowledgeable. > > > >Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru. But it usually > >(albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some >willingness > >to learn. I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a > >foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only a > >passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture -- >but >I > >assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build >upon > >that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but > >steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts! But at this juncture with my > >certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be > >dangerous! <smile> > > > >I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional > >degrees. Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any area, >but > >they possess the fundamentals upon which to build. A lawyer, for >example, > >may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back yard >on > >the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and >passing > >a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does indicate >the > >individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become an > >expert at some point in the future. I would submit that the same goes >for > >physicians, accountants, architects, etc. > > > >I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed. > >Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an entry > >ticket into this career. Individuals who possess these certs should be > >respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in studying >for > >and obtaining a cert. But whether they are PAPER CERTS is truly a > >mischaracterization. As I put forth above, every academic or >professional > >degree is indeed initially a paper cert -- but with potential. IT folks >who > >obtain these certs by and large have the potential to succeed. Just as > >there are bright, average and incompetent lawyers, doctors and others, >the > >same would hold true in our field. Some individuals in inately >intuitive, > >without certs, and others -- the majority -- will become the average IT > >Joe/Jane who work day-to-day in this field. Certainly there will always >be > >the small numbers who are totally incompetent. But it is not because the > >certs are merely paper. > > > >That's my 2 cents. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
