Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 10:18 PM 3/20/02, John Green wrote: >my box (windows workstation) is connected to a cable >modem (i guess motorola) and cable modem connects to >my cable tv network and in turn to internet. That's typical. So you were doing the ARP -A on a Windows machine, I guess. And you're seeing remote st

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-20 Thread John Green
my box (windows workstation) is connected to a cable modem (i guess motorola) and cable modem connects to my cable tv network and in turn to internet. --- Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > At 08:05 PM 3/18/02, John Green wrote: > >i guess you are right that there is some sort of > >filtering bein

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-20 Thread John Green
the original post asked for: "I connected to my cable modem and fired up my packet sniffer. I did not see anyone elses traffic on the line so " --- bergenpeak wrote: > Hi Sam, > > The shared vs non-shared issue DSL providers mention > is somewhat > misleading. In any residential cable or DSL

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-19 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 08:05 PM 3/18/02, John Green wrote: >i guess you are right that there is some sort of >filtering being done. >because the arp command gives the same physical >address of the hosts in my subnet. Where are you running this ARP command? On a router, on a workstation? What does your network look

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-19 Thread Mike Mandulak
Good post. One minor correction, the COM21 modems are DOCSIS 1.1 certified. - Original Message - From: "bergenpeak" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705] > Hi Sam, > > The shared vs non-shared

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-19 Thread bergenpeak
Hi Sam, The shared vs non-shared issue DSL providers mention is somewhat misleading. In any residential cable or DSL network, you will have stat muxing. In a cable network, this happens on the HFC network. In a DSL network, this happens at the Agg router (the one that terminates all of those

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-18 Thread John Green
i guess you are right that there is some sort of filtering being done. because the arp command gives the same physical address of the hosts in my subnet. Internet Address Physical Address Type 211.16.12.1 00-05-5f-ee-e0-54 dynamic 211.16.13.14 00-05-5f-ee-e0-54

RE: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-18 Thread Kent Hundley
Sam, You can check out the DOCSIS standards here: http://www.cablemodem.com/ (check out the "specifications" section) You should, at a minimum, see broadcasts from the other devices on your cable network. Mostly you will see arp broadcasts, but some Windows users on "raw" cable may still be ou

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-18 Thread Steven A. Ridder
Some parts of AT&T's cable networks are unfiltered at layer 2, so you can catch other's broadcasts (even the routers who run OSPF on a broadcast network in case you were interested). It definitly is a shared medium in my town. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Get in my head: http://sar.dynu.com ""Prisc

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-18 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 02:56 PM 3/18/02, sam sneed wrote: >I just changed services from DSL to cable modem. I have heard from people, >including verizon, that cable is not as secure as DSL becuase it is over a >shared medium. I connected to my cable modem and fired up my packet sniffer. >I did not see anyone elses tr

Re: Is cable network really a shared medium? [7:38705]

2002-03-18 Thread Patrick Ramsey
depending on the carrier, docsis could be implemented...I have not tcpdumped my current connection (through att) but I believe att does filter. a quick search on google yielded some docsis info but I didn't see whether or not it was done at the modem or the switch. I'm guessing the latter. I wou