To all, Howard and Rita:
Howard, I have spoken to you in the past, this is my 3rd time
rejoining the list. But if any of you have any more information on online
courses I would be welcome to it. I would not like vendor specific course,
but I welcome technology courses. Responding to the comments below, this is
a forum for opinions as well as sharing technical insight. If it is possible
could either Howard or Rita share with me where I can find online courses
that are worth the time. And keep in mind I have experience in every arena
of Wide Area networking so I'm not interested in the basic courses (intro to
TCP/IP). Mostly forums of advanced technology.
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald B Johnson jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Off-topic: On-line course in TCP/IP [7:480]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Off-topic: On-line course in TCP/IP [7:480]
> >Hey good advertisement.
>
> Let me make a comment here. I know Rita, and I regarded this as a
> legitimate request for information. There's a delicate line, I will
> admit, about information and advertisement. I don't think there was
> anything wrong with my posting a response to some reviews of my book,
> and adding some perspective.
If it was a request for info why the link to the course URL?
It is said that the cook is involved with making a BLT but the pig is
committed.
There is nothing wrong with doing business here, but seems like Rita is
already teaching an on-line course so why the research. Looking at the link,
Rita seems more than qualified to teach a course in entry level tcp/ip, yet
doesn't know the feasibility of on-line learning???? Howard lets look at it
this way:
What do you all think about learning by reading from a book. I would like to
get everybody's thoughts, OH by the way here is my book
Designing Addressing Architectures for Routing and Switching ISBN:
1578700604. You must of thought it was a good idea or you wouldn't have
written it. There you go a plug for a good book.
Then Rita sends back a reply refuting my opinion, so I guess I don't feel
that way. Then you do the same thing saying you can learn on-line but you
don't like a classroom setting. I don't like an on-line setting or classroom
setting that is still my opinion. so different people do have different
opinions. Would much rather learn by teaching oneself (guess that is why we
home school), also have taught adults and agree that I learn when in class
teaching others.
There are, again in my opinion, three ways to learn
1. repetition/memorization 2. facilitation 3. mentoring
generally children need mostly 1 and some 2
generally adults need mostly 3 and some 2
I don't see where an on-line course can provide much real mentoring. The
simple type 1 learning I feel on-line courses provide can be done by reading
either Perlman or Comer which are listed in the recommended texts yourself.
Rita, Howard do you have a mentor, are you mentoring anyone I can say yes to
both.
Even a boor like me could learn something from you Howard if you mentored me
but you have to guarantee a win on Jeopardy with Alex.
>From a cash flow perspective on-line learning is great and much success to
y'all???
The "good advertisement" and the "on-line learning" issues are seperate, and
Rita, I apologize for being flip about your e-mail.
If you are still here do either of you know
Don
>
> >Personally don't think you can learn anything new on-line.
>
> For some people, it may be the only option, even at the beginning.
> They may be in isolated locations, can't go to regular classes, etc.
> Classroom training is probably best for many people, although I tend
> not to learn well as a student in a formal class (I teach them well
> and learn when I teach)
>
> >On-line learning is good for people finishing degrees not for entry
level.
>
> Or in staying abreast of technology in general. Most of the real
> work of the IETF is done via mailing lists.
Yeah but if you are on the IETF mailing list a lot is implied, start sending
those e-mails to someone who doesn't even have e-mail and see if they are up
to speed in no time :>)
>
> >Is this part of a degree program.
That is a question.
> >Don
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dr Rita Puzmanova"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:47 AM
> >Subject: Off-topic: On-line course in TCP/IP [7:480]
> >
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> The discussion on this group concerning learning resources is mostly
> >> about self-study (books and other vast - not only Cisco - resources,
> >> including the group postings), or instructor-led courses provided by
> >> Cisco Training/Learning partners.
> >>
> >> I wonder whether someone has ever taken an on-line (web-based,
> >> asynchronous) course in IT (even not specifically by Cisco or
> >> Cisco-oriented) and what the experience has been.
> >>
> >> I would appreciate your input (off-mailing list due to the off-topic
> >> nature), as I am myself exploring the on-line education possibilities
> >> and will run a 12-week course on TCP/IP through UCLA, starting
shortly.
> >> For those interested in more info use the following link (TCP/IP
> >> Specialist):
> >>
> >>
>
>http://www.onlineLearning.net/CourseCatalog/CourseDetail.cfm?s=527.5080w012
n
> >.034z215s30&CID=1001380240
> >>
> >> Rita
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