i think u should do this now

Special Serial Line Tests
In addition to the basic diagnostic capabilities available on routers, a
variety of supplemental tools and techniques can be used to determine the
conditions of cables, switching equipment, modems, hosts, and remote
internetworking hardware. For more information, consult the documentation
for your CSU, DSU, serial analyzer, or other equipment.

CSU and DSU Loopback Tests
If the output of the show interfaces serial exec command indicates that the
serial line is up but the line protocol is down, use the CSU/DSU loopback
tests to determine the source of the problem. Perform the local loop test
first, and then the remote test. Figure 15-9 illustrates the basic topology
of the CSU/DSU local and remote loopback tests.


Figure 15-9: CSU/DSU Local and Remote Loopback Tests 




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Note These tests are generic in nature and assume attachment of the
internetworking system to a CSU or DSU. However, the tests are essentially
the same for attachment to a multiplexer with built-in CSU/DSU
functionality. Because there is no concept of a loopback in X.25 or Frame
Relay packet-switched network (PSN) environments, loopback tests do not
apply to X.25 and Frame Relay networks. 
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CSU and DSU Local Loopback Tests for HDLC or PPP Links
Following is a general procedure for performing loopback tests in
conjunction with built-in system diagnostic capabilities:

Step 1 Place the CSU/DSU in local loop mode (refer to your vendor
documentation). In local loop mode, the use of the line clock (from the T1
service) is terminated, and the DSU is forced to use the local clock.

Step 2 Use the show interfaces serial exec command to determine whether the
line status changes from "line protocol is down" to "line protocol is up
(looped)," or if it remains down.

Step 3 If the line protocol comes up when the CSU or DSU is in local
loopback mode, this suggests that the problem is occurring on the remote end
of the serial connection. If the status line does not change state, there is
a possible problem in the router, connecting cable, or CSU/DSU.

Step 4 If the problem appears to be local, use the debug serial interface
privileged exec command.

Step 5 Take the CSU/DSU out of local loop mode. When the line protocol is
down, the debug serial interface command output will indicate that keepalive
counters are not incrementing.

Step 6 Place the CSU/DSU in local loop mode again. This should cause the
keepalive packets to begin to increment. Specifically, the values for
mineseen and yourseen keepalives will increment every 10 seconds. This
information will appear in the debug serial interface output.

If the keepalives do not increment, there may be a timing problem on the
interface card or on the network. For information on correcting timing
problems, refer to the section "Troubleshooting Clocking Problems," earlier
in this chapter.

Step 7 Check the local router and CSU/DSU hardware, and any attached cables.
Make certain the cables are within the recommended lengths (no more than 50
feet [15.24 meters], or 25 feet [7.62 meters] for a T1 link). Make certain
the cables are attached to the proper ports. Swap faulty equipment as
necessary.

Figure 15-10 shows the output from the debug serial interface command for an
HDLC serial connection, with missed keepalives causing the line to go down
and the interface to reset.


Figure 15-10: debug serial interface Command Output 



CSU and DSU Remote Loopback Tests for HDLC or PPP Links
If you determine that the local hardware is functioning properly but you
still encounter problems when attempting to establish connections over the
serial link, try using the remote loopback test to isolate the problem
cause.


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Note This remote loopback test assumes that HDLC encapsulation is being used
and that the preceding local loop test was performed immediately before this
test. 
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The following are the steps required to perform loopback testing:

Step 1 Put the remote CSU or DSU into remote loopback mode (refer to the
vendor documentation).

Step 2 Using the show interfaces serial exec command, determine whether the
line protocol remains up with the status line indicating "Serial x is up,
line protocol is up (looped)," or if it goes down with the status line
indicating "line protocol is down."

Step 3 If the line protocol remains up (looped), the problem is probably at
the remote end of the serial connection (between the remote CSU/DSU and the
remote router). Perform both local and remote tests at the remote end to
isolate the problem source.

Step 4 If the line status changes to "line protocol is down" when remote
loopback mode is activated, make certain that ones density is being properly
maintained. The CSU/DSU must be configured to use the same framing and
coding schemes used by the leased-line or other carrier service (for
example, ESF and B8ZS).

Step 5 If problems persist, contact your WAN network manager or the WAN
service organization

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 5:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FW: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
[7:12800]


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Larkins 
Sent: 18 July 2001 14:59
To: Robert Nelson-Cox; Andrew Larkins
Subject: RE: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
[7:1 2785]


Both are DTE: Show controllers are below:

Remote site:sho controller s 1/0  
CD2430 Slot 1, Port 0, Controller 0, Channel 0, Revision 15
Channel mode is synchronous serial 
idb 0x60F54F00, buffer size 1524, X.21 DTE cable

Global registers
  rpilr 0x2, rir 0x2, risr 0x0, rfoc 0x0, rdr 0x2
  tpilr 0x1, tir 0x2, tisr 0x60, tftc 0x0, tdr 0x7
  mpilr 0x3, mir 0x2, misr 0xE0
  bercnt 0xFF, stk 0x0
Per-channel registers for channel 0
  Option registers
  0x02 0x00 0x42 0xE7 0xE0 0x00 0x00
  Command and status registers
  cmr 0xC0, ccr 0x00, csr 0xCC, msvr-rts 0xF1, msvr-dtr 0xF1
  Clock option registers
  rcor 0x86, rbpr 0x01, tcor 0xC8, tbpr 0x01
  Interrupt registers
  ier 0x89, livr 0x00, licr 0x00
  DMA buffer status 0x08
  DMA receive registers
  arbaddr 0x1955DC4, arbcnt 1548, arbsts 0x1
  brbaddr 0x1953044, brbcnt 1548, brbsts 0x1
  rcbaddr 0x19529FC
  DMA transmit registers
  atbaddr 0x19D2CB4, atbcnt 56, atbsts 0x62
  btbaddr 0x19CEAF4, btbcnt 56, btbsts 0x62
  tcbaddr 0x19D2CEC
  Special character registers
  schr1 0x00, schr2 0x00, schr3 0x00, schr4 0x00
  scrl 0x0, scrh 0x0, lnxt 0xF1
Driver context information
  Context structure 0x60F5A404, Register table 0x3C800400
  Serial Interface Control 5:1 Register (0x3C800802) is 0x0
  Adaptor Flags 0x0
  Serial Modem Control Register (0x3C800804) is 0x18
  Receive static buffer 0x60F5B288
  Receive particle buffers 0x60F5AC00, 0x60F5AA40
  Transmit DMA buffers 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
  Transmit packet with particles 0x0, first word is 0x0
  Interrupt rates (per second) transmit 0, receive 0, modem 0
  True fast-switched packets    22
  Semi fast-switched packets    0
  Transmitter hang count        0
  Residual indication count     7
  Bus error count       0
  Aborted short frames count    40580
  CRC short frames count        321675
Error counters
  CTS deassertion failures      0
  Nested interrupt errors transmit 0, receive 0, modem 0

Other side:
sho controll s 3/0
CD2430 Slot 3, Port 0, Controller 0, Channel 0, Revision 15
Channel mode is synchronous serial 
idb 0x60F52854, buffer size 1524, X.21 DTE cable

Global registers
  rpilr 0x2, rir 0x1, risr 0x0, rfoc 0x0, rdr 0x40
  tpilr 0x1, tir 0x1, tisr 0x60, tftc 0x0, tdr 0x0
  mpilr 0x3, mir 0x0, misr 0x0
  bercnt 0xFF, stk 0x0
Per-channel registers for channel 0
  Option registers
  0x02 0x00 0x42 0xE7 0xE0 0x00 0x00
  Command and status registers
  cmr 0xC0, ccr 0x00, csr 0xAC, msvr-rts 0xF1, msvr-dtr 0xF1
  Clock option registers
  rcor 0x86, rbpr 0x01, tcor 0xC8, tbpr 0x01
  Interrupt registers
  ier 0x89, livr 0x00, licr 0x00
  DMA buffer status 0x23
  DMA receive registers
  arbaddr 0x319AAE4, arbcnt 1548, arbsts 0x1
  brbaddr 0x3199764, brbcnt 1548, brbsts 0x1
  rcbaddr 0x319AB45
  DMA transmit registers
  atbaddr 0x31AE0B4, atbcnt 56, atbsts 0x62
  btbaddr 0x3000994, btbcnt 24, btbsts 0x62
  tcbaddr 0x30009AC
  Special character registers
  schr1 0x00, schr2 0x00, schr3 0x00, schr4 0x00
  scrl 0x0, scrh 0x0, lnxt 0xF1
Driver context information
  Context structure 0x60F57D58, Register table 0x3D800400
  Serial Interface Control 5:1 Register (0x3D800802) is 0x0
  Adaptor Flags 0x0
  Serial Modem Control Register (0x3D800804) is 0x18
  Receive static buffer 0x60EDEE28
  Receive particle buffers 0x60F58240, 0x60F58180
  Transmit DMA buffers 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
  Transmit packet with particles 0x0, first word is 0x0
  Interrupt rates (per second) transmit 0, receive 138, modem 0
  True fast-switched packets    4167
  Semi fast-switched packets    1
  Transmitter hang count        0
  Residual indication count     0
  Bus error count       0
  Aborted short frames count    0
  CRC short frames count        1
Error counters
  CTS deassertion failures      0
  Nested interrupt errors transmit 0, receive 0, modem 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Nelson-Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 July 2001 14:31
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
[7:1 2785]


Are both cables DTE?

Can you give me a show controller for these two interfaces?

Rob./


>From: Andrew Larkins 
>To: Robert Nelson-Cox , Cisco Mail List  
>
>Subject: RE: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!! [7:1 
>2785]
>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:27:24 +0200
>
>Lease line
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Nelson-Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 18 July 2001 14:23
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
>[7:12785]
>
>
>Is this across a leased circuit, or x-over cable?
>
>If leased circuit, then you A and B end may not be joined.
>
>Rob./
>
>
> >From: "Andrew Larkins" 
> >Reply-To: "Andrew Larkins" 
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
> >[7:12785]
> >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:01:08 -0400
> >
> >The interface resets are from when we moved the config to other ports to
> >rule out physical issues
> >
> >First side
> >Serial3/0 is up, line protocol is up
> >   Hardware is CD2430 in sync mode
> >   Description: xxxxxxxx
> >   Internet address is 10.99.253.17/30
> >   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 128 Kbit, DLY 20000 usec, rely 255/255, load 1/255
> >   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
> >   Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang never
> >   Last clearing of "show interface" counters never
> >   Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
> >   Queueing strategy: priority-list 1
> >   Output queue (queue priority: size/max/drops):
> >      high: 0/20/0, medium: 0/40/0, normal: 0/60/0, low: 0/80/0
> >   5 minute input rate 25000 bits/sec, 60 packets/sec
> >   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> >      1073220 packets input, 61641174 bytes, 0 no buffer
> >      Received 1911 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
> >      2 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 2 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
> >      9220 packets output, 906798 bytes, 0 underruns
> >      0 output errors, 0 collisions, 4 interface resets
> >      0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
> >      0 carrier transitions
> >      DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
> >
> >Remote side:
> >Serial1/0 is up, line protocol is up
> >   Hardware is CD2430 in sync mode
> >   Description: xxxxxxx
> >   Internet address is 10.99.253.18/30
> >   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 128 Kbit, DLY 20000 usec, rely 255/255, load 1/255
> >   Encapsulation HDLC, loopback not set, keepalive set (10 sec)
> >   Last input 00:00:02, output 00:00:02, output hang never
> >   Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:00:02
> >   Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
> >   Queueing strategy: priority-list 1
> >   Output queue (queue priority: size/max/drops):
> >      high: 0/20/0, medium: 0/40/0, normal: 0/60/0, low: 0/80/0
> >   5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> >   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> >      1 packets input, 56 bytes, 0 no buffer
> >      Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
> >      0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
> >      1 packets output, 56 bytes, 0 underruns
> >      0 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
> >      0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
> >      0 carrier transitions
> >      DCD=up  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=up
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Farhan Ahmed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 18 July 2001 13:24
> >To: 'Andrew Larkins'
> >Subject: RE: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
> >[7:1 2780]
> >
> >
> >send me the sh int
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Andrew Larkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:17 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
> >[7:12780]
> >
> >
> >the very weird thing here is at RTS DTS etc are all up.... both devices 
>are
> >on a /30 subnet no problems here. I do not need any routing because these
> >are directly connected networks. NO crc errors on link flap/ interface
> >resets!!
> >
> >Very confused
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Phil Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: 18 July 2001 12:45
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: WAN link funnies - UP UP but no comms- on same subnet!!!
> >[7:12778]
> >
> >
> >Andrew,
> >      From what you say your remote end is working fine
> >both in Tx and Rx and your Tx is working fine since
> >remote end sees your cdp. Your Rx appears to be the
> >problem. Have you tried swapping out your local Serial
> >cable ? What about 'sh int serial xxx' to check your
> >pins ? DCD RTS etc.
> >
> >regards,
> >
> >Phil.
> >  --- Andrew Larkins
> >wrote: > HI all,
> > >
> > > Strange problem here.
> > >
> > > The serial interface are UP UP on both sides, but we
> > > are not able to ping
> > > each other  - even though directly connected. A
> > > "debug ip ICMP" on the
> > > remote site shows the ping coming through and
> > > replying, but the reply never
> > > gets back.
> > > Also the remote site saw my router using CDP, but I
> > > do not see him.
> > >
> > > Any ideas??
> > >
> > > I believe this is Telco related, but the line shows
> > > clean from the interface
> > > stats
> > >
> > > Andrew
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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