Good Morning!
Statement 1:
In general - businesses are not well known for being altruistic in their
hiring & compensation practices.

Statement 2:
Any good manager would be rather foolish to not appreciate, and compensate
accordingly, a hard-working and presumably valued employee.  (S)He would
also be rather foolish to pay more than needed ... there is a delicate
balancing act, with a very precipitous fall into bankruptcy being one of the
major indications of failure!

Caveats:        NOTE - I said the following -incredibly- subjective things:
        "good manager"  
        "foolish"               
        "accordingly"
        "hard working" 
        "valued employee"       
        "needed"

.. furthermore the "valued employee" part may be invoking a bit of circular
login, since the "value" may be seen as directly related to the
compensation.  Alternatively - your level of compensation may also be more
indicative of what you WERE worth to the company AT ONE TIME, and if it
exceeds certain levels may actually decrease your overall value to the
company.                ("the highest paid are the first to go")

.. let's get back to networking before I decide to go sell real estate ...
Thanks!
TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: n rf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Technology, Certification, Skill Sets, and Loo [7:70953]

Mark E. Hayes wrote:
> 
> Ok Sen. McCarthy,
> 
> Your response is Bolshevik, get it? ;) All I'm talking about is
> taking
> care of people who took care of you. As an employee I have an
> obligation
> to do x amount of work. I always do more than that, it's a
> pride thing.
> I want the business I work for to prosper. What is wrong with
> showing an
> employee like that some loyalty. 

Hey, if the employer wants to do that, there is nothing wrong at all. 
What's 'wrong' is that you apparently expect them to do so.  The employer is
obligated to compensate you for your time according to whatever employment
agreement you arranged when you were hired, nothing more, nothing less.  If
you want to altruistically give time and effort above and beyond what is
necessary, that's your prerogative, but the employer is not obligated to
reward you for it, and if you're truly being altruistic, then you shouldn't
have anything to complain about, because altruism means to do something
without any expectation of recompense.

Now, if you're not being altruistic and you are willing to do extraordinary
work but because you expect a reward for it, then you should play "Let's
Make a Deal".  Tell your employer that you're willing to do this-and-that
task but only for such-and-such an increase in compensation or a similar
arrangement.    But if you don't do that, you can't complain ex-post-facto.




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