At 3:53 PM +0000 1/3/03, Mr piyush shah wrote:
>
>
>Dear all
>I thing it is now a real high time someone should take
>initiative in stoping the subject of CCIE vs BS or MS
>degree. Why are we here for ? to discuss and share
>problems faced on networking front

All joking aside, I think this is the key point, and something that a 
lot of people miss.  I do know, partially from private email, that 
there are a substantial number of people that lose track of the 
relevance of academic (not necessarily ATTENDING college or getting 
degrees) material and focus completely on certification.

A couple of personal observations: I have no interest in getting into 
top corporate management, but I have and will be in senior technology 
management.  nrf, it seems, distinguishes simply between management 
and non-management. In Cisco's case, I'd have no interest in John 
Chambers' job, but I might in Christine Hemrick's -- a former 
colleague at GTE.

Much of the drive for certification (and indeed degrees) is getting 
into the door for the first job.  While, admittedly, I am having some 
fun with certain people, I'm deadly serious that some of the more 
formal technical skills need to be understood if you stay technical 
but move out of support.

>or discusing
>whether BS is SUPERIOROR ccie . Let me tell you both
>the degreees are best in their unique ways . Who the
>heil are we to decide it's superioritY ? lIKE i
>MENTIONED WE ALL ARE INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE one
>whosoever raised this querry by getting involved in
>this question-answer forum . I thing we should stop
>it.There are lot many imp things on which we need to
>condcentrate more.
>Hope so the message is loud and clear to all those
>participant to these group .
>
>Regards
>
>
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>Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote:
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>>  I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College of
>>  Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no
>>  more than
>>  a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college!
>>  College
>>  is not there to prepare you to step in and do a Sr. Engineer job, it is
>>  there to give you a base understanding of IT. I however, have a business
>>  degree with an IT focus. So, when you have been through the classes I
have
>>  you form a level of respect for anyone who has been down the same road.
>>
>>  When the CCIE gets as challenging as the following let me know.
>>
>>  Calculus
>>  Physics
>>  Finance
>>  Accounting
>>  Economics
>>  CS-programming
>>  CS-operating systems
>>  CS-networking
>>
>>
>>
>>  Daniel Ladrach
>>  CCNA, CCNP
>>  WorldCom
>All of the listed should be thought in high school. Unless it's some
>kind of quantum programming (is it still a concept?), CCIE should be by
>far more challenging. My two cents..
>:)




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