After some searching I found this in the archives for all those asking... these DO include the Aironet products.. You also DO need a CCO login.. http://www.cisco.com/partner/WWChannels/marketing_promotions/tools/visio/ Thanks Cory Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8375&t=8375 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]