Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-11 Thread Arie Vayner (avayner)
On Behalf Of Bob Arthurs Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 01:32 To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks??? Hi all, A colleague recently told me not to use BGP peer groups because he insists that there a drawbacks to using them. Does anyone know of any drawbacks to p

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-10 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:04:39PM -0500, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:31:47PM +, Bob Arthurs wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> A colleague recently told me not to use BGP peer groups because he > >> insists that there a drawbacks to using them

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-10 Thread Kenny Sallee
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Marko Milivojevic wrote: > > Seems to me that peer/session templates would allow you to get more > granular > > with your BGP configuration then peer-groups due to > > their inheritance feature. So it makes sense to me. > > >Well... comparing peer-groups and tem

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-10 Thread Artur
Great point Marko, just adding to that, in the most recent IOS versions update-groups are built automatically when you have neighbors with an equal policy configuration. That means, peers belonging to the same peer-group, or with the same peer-policy template or even without peer-groups or t

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-10 Thread Phil Mayers
and # of prefix's etc...I guess a question could be - why wouldn't you use templates - even for a simple BGP config? Any ISP ops on the list - do you use templates, peer-groups - or both? We use templates, including inheritance. They're very handy. From memory however, some things don't quite

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-09 Thread Marko Milivojevic
> Seems to me that peer/session templates would allow you to get more granular > with your BGP configuration then peer-groups due to > their inheritance feature.  So it makes sense to me. > > I don't think scale is the only deciding factor between peer group and > templates.  I think it also depend

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-09 Thread Kenny Sallee
> > > 1998 called, it wants its release notes back. The modern version you > > should be using instead of peer groups is bgp templates: > > ...What...? ...Why? > > At what scale should one consider dumping peer-group? When should one > switch to templates? How about a mix of groups AND templates? >

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-09 Thread Steve Bertrand
Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:31:47PM +, Bob Arthurs wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> A colleague recently told me not to use BGP peer groups because he >> insists that there a drawbacks to using them. >> >> Does anyone know of any drawbacks to peer groups >> >> I dug the

Re: [c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-09 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:31:47PM +, Bob Arthurs wrote: > > Hi all, > > A colleague recently told me not to use BGP peer groups because he > insists that there a drawbacks to using them. > > Does anyone know of any drawbacks to peer groups > > I dug the following up on the Cisco websit

[c-nsp] BGP Peer Group drawbacks???

2010-01-09 Thread Bob Arthurs
Hi all, A colleague recently told me not to use BGP peer groups because he insists that there a drawbacks to using them. Does anyone know of any drawbacks to peer groups I dug the following up on the Cisco website: "Cisco IOS Software Releases earlier than 11.1(18)CC have the l