Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-20 Thread Jared Mauch
I'm working on getting a call going with whomever is involved in the breakage of downloads again. Sent from my iThing On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:54 AM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > Gert Doering wrote: >>> I may be able to lead the cabal if folks so desire, rounding up the >>> right people from the cis

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-19 Thread Sridhar Ayengar
Gert Doering wrote: I may be able to lead the cabal if folks so desire, rounding up the right people from the cisco side. Count me in. But you know that already :-) Me too, FWIW. Peace... Sridhar ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-16 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 2010-09-16 01:05, Heath Jones wrote: Just wondering.. Does IBLM access some generic(ish) webservice back to base (cisco) for updates to the EoL/S etc? What if the address of that could make its way around... The tool is offline. You gather the info about the network, upload it in IBLM-specif

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Heath Jones
Just wondering.. Does IBLM access some generic(ish) webservice back to base (cisco) for updates to the EoL/S etc? What if the address of that could make its way around... 2010/9/15 Łukasz Bromirski > On 2010-09-16 00:38, Alan Buxey wrote: > > also, to charge for this? hello? theres plenty of f

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 2010-09-16 00:38, Alan Buxey wrote: also, to charge for this? hello? theres plenty of free tools out there that can make an inventory of a companies network...given enough information and seeding. most of these tools are now available as virtual images to make the task a little easier too.

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 2010-09-16 00:04, Peter Rathlev wrote: The report IS free. You're propably being charged by a Partner. That is correct. The partner charged. That's of course doable - Cisco can't forbid Partner to ask for money for the work they're putting into sending some engineer to do the work. However

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Alan Buxey
Hi, > But: He says that even when AS performs the IBLM, we still have to pay. > We can get a refund when purchasing new equipment later, but still have > to pay up front. given that the IBLM is nothing more than a method by which service partners can gain "excellent visibility into your customer

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Alan Buxey
...theres always the CCIE option for CCO download access...or are they getting rid of that too? :-( alan ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 23:20 +0200, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: > On 2010-09-15 23:05, Peter Rathlev wrote: > > And the report is free[2]. > > [2]: Except you have to pay for them to actually make the report. > > (I havn't figured out what the "free" thing is then.) > > The report IS free. You're

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 2010-09-15 23:05, Gert Doering wrote: If there's neither a convenient security update nor a contract, then it's getting interesting - theoretically, you can buy IOS updates. In practice, nearly no cisco partner/reseller seems to understand *how* to do that. At some time in the past, we boug

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 2010-09-15 23:05, Peter Rathlev wrote: And the report is free[2]. > [2]: Except you have to pay for them to actually make the report. > (I havn't figured out what the "free" thing is then.) The report IS free. You're propably being charged by a Partner. One way or another, if anyone is

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 01:43:46PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote: > How would this work for old unsupported equipment? For security updates, you can go through TAC, and get the updates even if you have no contract. If there's neither a convenient security update nor a contract, then it's gettin

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 13:43 -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/15/2010 13:32, Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists wrote: > > Active service contracts, yes that's what they're doing. (They have > > informed us partners). It doesn't have to be SMARTnet contracts, > > though. > > How would this work for old unsu

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 22:32 +0200, Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists wrote: > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:13:35 +0100, you wrote: > > It's also looks like Cisco may be vaguely moving in the direction of > > locking CCO accounts down to be able to access only software downloads > > for which there are active smart

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/15/2010 13:32, Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists wrote: > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:13:35 +0100, you wrote: > >> It's also looks like Cisco may be vaguely moving in the direction of >> locking CCO accounts down to be able to access only software downloads >> for which there are active smartnet contracts.

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:02:35 +0300, you wrote: > I'd be perfectly happy to have reliable RSS feed for new and removed > IOS releases. Hahaha. Good one. They can't even do that for new products. -A ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Jared Mauch
On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists wrote: > On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:13:35 +0100, you wrote: > >> It's also looks like Cisco may be vaguely moving in the direction of >> locking CCO accounts down to be able to access only software downloads >> for which there are active smartnet

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:13:35 +0100, you wrote: > It's also looks like Cisco may be vaguely moving in the direction of > locking CCO accounts down to be able to access only software downloads > for which there are active smartnet contracts. Active service contracts, yes that's what they're doing.

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 08:58:05PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: > I may be able to lead the cabal if folks so desire, rounding up the > right people from the cisco side. Count me in. But you know that already :-) gert -- USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-15 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:37:25AM -0800, Leif Sawyer wrote: > If you take it a step further and use ssh keys, then you've got an additional > layer of security for them. I don't think Cisco understands "ssh keys". gert -- USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:00:01AM -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote: This is a poor decision and should be reconsidered; Cisco should be expanding, not reducing FTP access. One should be able to login via ftp with their CCO ID/password and download full en

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Jeff Kell
On 9/14/2010 6:53 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > If legal requires many confirmations before downloading software > image, Cisco Online could have telnet access and X/Y/Zmodem file > transfers. Very modern solution, indeed. > IPS images and signatures are behind the same "storefront", yet the devices t

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Jared Mauch
See below Sent from my iThing On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 02:36:07PM +0100, David Freedman wrote: >> As much as I disagree with the decision, I can understand that they may >> have a complex set of processes and audit requirements behind t

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Chris Adams
I don't disagree with this change being a problem, but... Once upon a time, William F. Maton Sotomayor said: > FTP has been indispensible, especially considering how much larger the > images are getting and FTP's transfer efficiencies over HTTP start to > show. "FTP's transfer efficiencies ove

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
If legal requires many confirmations before downloading software image, Cisco Online could have telnet access and X/Y/Zmodem file transfers. Very modern solution, indeed. Rubens On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Jason Gurtz wrote: > [Comments in-line] > >> From: ftp_download_feedback(mailer l

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 02:36:07PM +0100, David Freedman wrote: > As much as I disagree with the decision, I can understand that they may > have a complex set of processes and audit requirements behind this (the > site), i.e having users click "I Agree" before every download (and not > making

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 14/09/2010 14:36, David Freedman wrote: > As much as I disagree with the decision, I can understand that they may > have a complex set of processes and audit requirements behind this (the > site), i.e having users click "I Agree" before every download (and not > making this implicit through down

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 14/09/2010 14:40, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: > FTP has been indispensible, especially considering how much larger the > images are getting and FTP's transfer efficiencies over HTTP start to show. But that's why they've provided the Java download manager! To make the download experience

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Leif Sawyer
ubject: Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP > access to secured software > > >> ftp.cisco.com beginning early October 2010. > > > > Dear Cisco Manager: > > > > This is a poor decision and should be reconsidered; Cisco should be > > expandi

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-09-14 09:00 -0400), Jason Gurtz wrote: > > Cisco has recently reviewed its download processes and will only be > > providing anonymous access for software in the future via ftp.cisco.com. > [...] > > This is a courtesy notice informing you that any software requiring > login > > or contra

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/14/10 6:00 AM, Jason Gurtz wrote: > [Comments in-line] > >> From: ftp_download_feedback(mailer list) >> [mailto:ftp_download_feedb...@cisco.com] >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 20:47 >> Subject: Important Message from Cisco Technical Support Manager, > Software >> Downloads >> >> >> Cis

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Jeff Kell
On 9/14/2010 9:18 AM, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:00:01AM -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote: >> This is a poor decision and should be reconsidered; Cisco should be >> expanding, not reducing FTP access. One should be able to login via ftp >> with their CCO ID/password and down

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Alan Buxey
Hi, > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:00:01AM -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote: > > This is a poor decision and should be reconsidered; Cisco should be > > expanding, not reducing FTP access. One should be able to login via ftp > > with their CCO ID/password and download full encryption software. If > > busi

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:00:01AM -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote: This is a poor decision and should be reconsidered; Cisco should be expanding, not reducing FTP access. One should be able to login via ftp with their CCO ID/password and download full en

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread David Freedman
>> ftp.cisco.com beginning early October 2010. > > Dear Cisco Manager: > > This is a poor decision and should be reconsidered; Cisco should be > expanding, not reducing FTP access. One should be able to login via ftp > with their CCO ID/password and download full encryption software. If > busin

Re: [c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 09:00:01AM -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote: > This is a poor decision and should be reconsidered; Cisco should be > expanding, not reducing FTP access. One should be able to login via ftp > with their CCO ID/password and download full encryption software. If > business needs

[c-nsp] Feedback on upcoming removal of FTP access to secured software

2010-09-14 Thread Jason Gurtz
[Comments in-line] > From: ftp_download_feedback(mailer list) > [mailto:ftp_download_feedb...@cisco.com] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 20:47 > Subject: Important Message from Cisco Technical Support Manager, Software > Downloads > > > Cisco has recently reviewed its download processes and