Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-04-13 Thread James Michael Keller
Yes, I've crushed a MARS 110 unit with netflow data from around 200 devices.Cisco recommended we switch to a dedicated netflow collector and then feed the consolidated sessions into MARS rather then have MARS directly take all the raw netflows (ie layer3 switch flow and router flow having

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-04-13 Thread raymondh (NSP)
Personally, if cost isn't an issue and you're expecting to sink high volume of traffic, I'd suggest that you go for Peakflow SP together with TMS (It's still ranked as one of the better ones among the rest). Else the ADM + AGM should work well enough. Generally for the MARS boxes, I'd

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-30 Thread Rob Shakir
Hi, We have a deployed Riverhead/Cisco Guard + Detector platform, that I've been working reasonably closely with over the last 6-9 months. We run the appliances, rather than the 6500/7600 modules, and are pretty happy with how they function. I think that the major issue with this platform right

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-24 Thread Matt Buford
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Drew Weaver drew.wea...@thenap.comwrote: Does anyone here have any real world experience with Cisco Guard or other products such as Arbor's Peakflow that they can share? If you've tried multiple systems and ended up with a specific one, please share the

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-19 Thread Ryan Hughes
MARS really isn't positioned to be a Netflow anomaly detection with the likes of Arbor and others previously mentioned. It's simply a feature that's in there to help bring into perspective of what's going on with your Cisco infrastructure from a threat perspective. And I would definitely be

[c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-15 Thread Drew Weaver
Hi, Does anyone here have any real world experience with Cisco Guard or other products such as Arbor's Peakflow that they can share? If you've tried multiple systems and ended up with a specific one, please share the reasoning behind it. Also, without a dedicated DDoS system deployed, what is

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-15 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Drew Weaver wrote: Also, without a dedicated DDoS system deployed, what is the most reliable/fastest way to determine the destination(s) of the attacks (SNMP, NetFlow, etc)? With or without a dedicated DDoS mitigation system, NetFlow-based anomaly-detection

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-15 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: Arbor Peakflow SP, Narus Insight Manager, and Lancope StealthWatch Xe are three commercial NetFlow-based anomaly-detection systems. I forgot to add Q1 Labs Q1Radar, and I believe NetQoS now have an anomaly-detection module, as well,

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-15 Thread Charles Wyble
Searching for netflow ids ( http://www.google.com/search?q=netflow+idsie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a) returns some very interesting results. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-15 Thread Charles Wyble
Roland Dobbins wrote: On Mar 15, 2009, at 11:54 PM, Drew Weaver wrote: Also, without a dedicated DDoS system deployed, what is the most reliable/fastest way to determine the destination(s) of the attacks (SNMP, NetFlow, etc)? With or without a dedicated DDoS mitigation system,

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-15 Thread Justin Shore
Roland Dobbins wrote: On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote: Arbor Peakflow SP, Narus Insight Manager, and Lancope StealthWatch Xe are three commercial NetFlow-based anomaly-detection systems. I forgot to add Q1 Labs Q1Radar, and I believe NetQoS now have an anomaly-detection

Re: [c-nsp] Opinions of DDoS appliances, other techniques, most notably Cisco Guard

2009-03-15 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Justin Shore wrote: Would its Netflow abilities be useful here? As with any tool, it's a good idea to test and compare in order to ensure one's requirements are met. --- Roland Dobbins