[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
o: ; "Cittern NET" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments Frank: An icon of the traditional English folk music scene, Rod Stradling, recently told me about a place in Italy that had recently redicsovered its own un

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-08 Thread Frank Nordberg
Brad McEwen wrote: > Still, it seemed to suggest that all folk music originated in the > upper classes. We all knoow how capable the peasant and other "lower" > classes were of creating music. Yes but as the old saying goes: he who pays the fiddler calls the tune. Frank Nordberg http://www.m

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Brad McEwen
> > - Original Message - > From: "Brad McEwen" > To: ; "Cittern NET" > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:20 PM > Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments > > >> Frank: >> >> An icon of the traditional English folk

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
- From: "Brad McEwen" To: ; "Cittern NET" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments Frank: An icon of the traditional English folk music scene, Rod Stradling, recently told me about a place in Italy that had

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Brad McEwen
8 8:20 PM Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments > Frank: > > An icon of the traditional English folk music scene, Rod Stradling, > recently told me about a place in Italy that had recently redicsovered its > own unique traditional music and dances. They w

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
"Brad McEwen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cittern NET" Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments Frank: An icon of the traditional English folk music scene, Rod Stradling, recently to

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Brad McEwen
Frank: An icon of the traditional English folk music scene, Rod Stradling, recently told me about a place in Italy that had recently redicsovered its own unique traditional music and dances. They were said to be paticular to that reginalone. A small group of dedicted people wen tin search

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Kevin McDermott
Dear Martina, So interesting to hear your thoughts on this; and sadly gratifying as well, as they match my thoughts--but I'm an outsider. By blood, I'm Irish American, but have always been interested in German culture, and the 19th century. From a very early age I knew Erk's Deutsche Liede

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Martina.Rosenberger
> On Apr 7, 2008, at 1:43 AM, Frank Nordberg wrote: > > > > Your folk music is a means to define where you come from and where > > you belong in this world. And since we don't all belong in the same > > place (fortunately) it may not be the same as somebody else's folk > > music. > > Dear Frank,

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Nancy Carlin
I really enjoyed your comments on folk music. One thing I find interesting is some of the differences in how Canadians fit music into the categories. Blues is much more a part of folk in Canada. And the influence of English music (and French) is stronger in their folk music. Nancy Carlin >I

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Nancy Carlin
One of the interesting things about the Welsh crwth is that while there are several extant instruments (including a nice one in the National Library in Aberystwyth) the playing tradition got completely killed off by the religious movement that encouraged people to get rid of instruments and sto

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-07 Thread Kevin McDermott
Dear Frank, Very interesting essay, and clearly the product of wide experience and a lot of thought. Basically, couldn't agree more with your statements and the lack of an easy answer. The question is, frankly, the answer. And I hope that doesn't sound like too much of a new-age mantra: in

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-06 Thread Kevin McDermott
Dear Stuart, What you say is very true: but perhaps the issue is more what people "in period"_made_of the distinction: I freely give that the distinction is there, that they could make it, and that they did make it. All that follows is under the bright red rubric of "In my Opinion." T

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-06 Thread Stuart Walsh
Doc Rossi wrote: Related to this topic, there will be an article about the influence of "art" music on "traditional" music in the Summer 2008 issue of Fiddler Magazine [ http://www.fiddle.com/ ], written by Andrew Kuntz, who is responsible for The Fiddler’s Companion website. http://www.ibibli

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-06 Thread Doc Rossi
Related to this topic, there will be an article about the influence of "art" music on "traditional" music in the Summer 2008 issue of Fiddler Magazine [ http://www.fiddle.com/ ], written by Andrew Kuntz, who is responsible for The Fiddler’s Companion website. http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/i

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-06 Thread Brad McEwen
David: Well, I could be wrong, but since bowed instruments are more recent that plucked, it would seem that way. The crowd is one of those many instruments that (I believe) evolved from the Greek Kithara and are known throughout Europe by various names..zither, citera, etc (ha ha). The s

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-06 Thread David Cushman
Hi Brad, Thanks for the clarification - I had understood the evolution to have gone the other direction (evolving from other northern european bowed lyres). It is quite a tangle, isn't it? Best regards, David On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Brad McEwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi: > > it

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-05 Thread Brad McEwen
Hi: it si my understanding tha the original medaeival "crowd" from which the bowed Welsh crwth derived, was a plucked instrument. Brad David Cushman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, I have done a little research into the crwth and it is indeed a bowed instrument that survives in

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-05 Thread David Cushman
Hi All, I have done a little research into the crwth and it is indeed a bowed instrument that survives in Wales. There is a group called Bragod who have done some research into the instrument and have some novel ideas about it. It is generally tuned Pythagorean and musically makes use of lots of

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-05 Thread Nancy Carlin
The crwth has one plucked string on the bass side of the instrument. The rest are over a rather flat bridge and are bowed. Here is a link to some pictures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crwth Cass Meurig, who is in one of the pictures, wrote a PhD dissertation on the instrument and has made a CD

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-05 Thread Rob MacKillop
This lot should get you started. I recorded two CDs with Bill Taylor (first link below) but neither with a pictish harp. http://www.spanglefish.com/Clarsach/documents/ARTICLES/BILL_TAYLOR/Trad_and_Historical_Scottish_Harps.doc http://www.pictart.org/music.htm http://www.ardival.com/ Rob On 05/

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-05 Thread Frank Nordberg
Rob MacKillop wrote: Does the Pictish traingular harp count? It certainly does. I was trying to keep things simple by only focusing on fretted instruments but on second though that may not have been a good idea. Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com http://stores.ebay.com/Nordbergs-Mus

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-05 Thread Rob MacKillop
Does the Pictish traingular harp count? Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[CITTERN] Re: Traditional British (plucked) instruments

2008-04-05 Thread Stuart Walsh
Damien, I'm sure other people will disagree with me, so I'll send this to the cittern list! (also: the 'crwth' is a bowed instrument, not plucked) Damien Delgrossi wrote: I am suprised to read you saying that UK doesn't have plucked instruments traditions. What about banjos? and pictures sho